BUT GABE IS GAMING MESSIAH!


Heh, it's nothing new. Each popculture prophet ends up like that. At first he's cool and everybody who's hip and happening loves him, and the next day he's one of really big fishes, says 'hey, making money ain't half bad', and starts milking the moneycow that users are. Most of faithful followers won't notice that transformation even if it would jump out of the bushes and kicked them in the butt.

Many gamers love valve for what they have done for the gamer community in the last decade, not for what they are talking now. We will see of what actions will follow their talking. On the other hand we have an industry of bEAd boys, taking our money and leaving us with unfinished and unsupported games.

I'm not entirely sure that this is comparing apples to apples. Windows 8 is a general purpose platform that has been closed off such that to release apps that conform to their new UI you must be microsoft certified and go through their store.. which was gabe's complaint. As far as the closed system that is the steam box, the idea there is to just ensure that they have a working hardware configuration that would provide for a common user experience.

You can still take any game you make and distribute it without steam.

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I'm not entirely sure that this is comparing apples to apples. Windows 8 is a general purpose platform that has been closed off such that to release apps that conform to their new UI you must be microsoft certified and go through their store.. which was gabe's complaint. As far as the closed system that is the steam box, the idea there is to just ensure that they have a working hardware configuration that would provide for a common user experience.

You can still take any game you make and distribute it without steam.
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But isn't that Microsofts argument as well with the whole cross-architecture argument? Either closed is closed or open is open. We cant have rules for one and different rules for another.

Yeah, this is completely ironic, though I don't want to jump on the bashing bandwagon as I really can't tell what they meant with "tighthly closed". Most likely it would mean "only Steam games can run on it and nothing else", but they could also be referring to hardware specs (which would also make a lot of sense if you consider how fragmented the PC market is).

On the note of hypocrisy: Notch retweeted a comment about Valve having double standards for doing this, yet he also released Minecraft on closed platforms =P If we're going to bash closed platforms then let's make sure to at least don't put absolutely anything on them, jeez!

I'm fine with closed stores, and I'm fine with closed platforms...

I just don't like it when previously open platforms have the appearance of going closed, because then I feel like I'm 'losing' something I was previously used to. =(

I think that valve is unsure. A closed system would be most likely build upon a custom linux version, therefor the call for more linux games. To keep the hardware costs low, they will either need to stream or reduce the hardware, an other reason to push the indie scene (cross plattform + low hardware requirements).

I think, that they will push the linux steam version, put in on a pre-installed linux tv-box in different hardware outfits and start to pull at indie devs who support linux games, bundling it with some steam games the risk should be manageable.

Everyone who don't like closed systems can continue to use their PC.

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I think that valve is unsure. A closed system would be most likely build upon a custom linux version, therefor the call for more linux games. To keep the hardware costs low, they will either need to stream or reduce the hardware, an other reason to push the indie scene (cross plattform + low hardware requirements).
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I don't think Steam users are exactly the kind who tends to spend little in hardware...

[quote]I don't think Steam users are exactly the kind who tends to spend little in hardware...[/quote]
If they just want to satisfy existing users, they don't need to change anything. I think they want to expand into the home-console market.