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God v. Science

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I was going to post this as a reply to my last entry, but no one would see it, and I think it would be a good discussion.



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Maybe you shouldn't use the word 'God' as the starting word for a scientific entry.


I've never understood this mindset. Nor have I ever understood the whole "Science is bullshit because I believe in God" mindset either.


What, exactly, precludes the mutual co-existence of faith and science? There is so much in this world that simply cannot be explained, and there's a good chance that a lot of it may never be explained.

For example:

* Time. What is it; why is it relative, and why does it only flow in one direction, as far as we can tell?
* Gravity: What the hell causes it? We can describe it very accurately, but we can't figure out why it works.
* The Pioneer Anomaly. What the hell is it, and why is it only affecting the Pioneers and not the Voyagers?
* The unexplained expansion of the universe; what the hell is causing it? Is there some "dark energy" out there pulling the universe apart that we can't detect? Where does this energy come from then?


Someday, science may find an answer to these questions. But science can only go so far; what if God invented the laws of physics, and could change them at a whim?


Did anyone know that Newton himself tried using his laws to prove that the Christian God exists? His reasoning was that the laws of motion prove that there is a basic order to the universe, an order placed there by God himself.

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The law of gravity became Sir Isaac Newton's best-known discovery. Newton warned against using it to view the universe as a mere machine, like a great clock. He said, "Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done."

Though he is better known for his scientific achievements, the Bible was Sir Isaac Newton's greatest passion. He devoted more time to the study of Scripture than to science, and said, "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by those who were inspired. I study the Bible daily."


I put forth that there is absolutely no reason why God and Science cannot co-exist, and anyone who argues that only one or the other can exist is simply being closed-minded. Who knows; perhaps one day science will prove the existence of God. Wouldn't that be interesting?


* It is important to note that I am not speaking about "religion", but rather a greater entity that we cannot possibly understand. Religion and science quite frequently cannot co-exist, simply because of the large number of religions that state proven scientifics as outright falsehoods because it conflicts with their dogma (ie: evolution, orbital mechanics, etc). I have no doubt in my mind that most religions have gotten things completely wrong, but that still in no way disproves the possibility of the existence of God or Gods.
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I second that.

I believe in both God and Science, so this post was kinda a refresher. :)

I believe that both Science and Religion have a few inacuracies though. But not to be mistaken between Religion and God, God is perfect, Religion is corruptable (The Crusades, Televangelists, etc).

But religion is only corruptable when God doesn't recognize it as good religion. These religiously corrupted people know that they are being ignorant so I do not believe that God tricks anyone into hell.

Just my 2 cents.

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Wow. Knowitall amateur philosophizing in a web-forum post. This is unprecedented!


Wow. Unwarranted biting sarcasm in a web-forum post! How unprecendented!


Or not.


Care to actually contribute?

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Care to actually contribute?

No, not really. Been there, done that, got the commemorative T-shirt. I just get entertained when kids who just fell off the turnip truck last week suddenly think they've got all the answers.

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No, not really. Been there, done that, got the commemorative T-shirt. I just get entertained when kids who just fell off the turnip truck last week suddenly think they've got all the answers.


You must not have read what I wrote then, because I didn't claim to have any answers; in fact I introduced a lot of questions that I have absolutely no answer to.

Please, I implore you to point out where I claim to have all the answers.


Or are you just pissed off at me because I implied that Atheism is stupid, since we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of higher spritualities and therefore claiming to know the answer either way is an exercise in ignorance?

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Or are you just pissed off at me because I implied that Atheism is stupid, since we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of higher spritualities and therefore claiming to know the answer either way is an exercise in ignorance?
Not especially. Since atheism (which is not capitalized) in its implicit form is not a rejection of the existence of gods but is a rejection of belief in gods, to say that it's stupid because it is "claiming to know the answer either way" is not so much an "exercise in ignorance" for person making or not making the theistic claim as for the person making claims about said claimant (i.e. you).

And no, I'm not pissed off at you, my stalwart code-monkey. I think you're entertaining because you take yourself so seriously. Your statements that "Atheism is stupid" or "Capitalism is sick, and anyone who tries rationalizing it is sick as well" or any of your other tidbits of humorless pontificating blather are taken not with the spirit in which they are given but are instead taken as humorous bits of knowitall TurnipSpeak(tm).

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You completely ignored the first part of my post.


Again, please show me where I'm allegedly pretending to "knowitall".



As for the whole "capitalism is sick" thing; Are you seriously going to bring that up in every single conversation? It's getting old. I was particularly pissed off the day I wrote that because my dad got laid off again that week. The contract owner found out he had Multiple Sclerosis, and decided that (for some odd reason) people with MS aren't capable of doing their jobs (even though he is probably more capable of it than most people). But, you know, since this is a capitalism and all, it's totally fair to discriminate against someone who has a condition that he didn't cause and couldn't help getting. Oh and did I mention that the Life Insurance company won't insure him anymore (hey guys, thanks for taking our money for the past 20 years and then telling us you'll never pay us anything! Metlife is the company, in case anyone decides to boycott this evil behaviour), and he won't get unemployment benefits either because New York State doesn't consider him "disabled" (he isn't) but he can't get hired because most companies hear "MS" and think "OMG HE'S WORTHLESS!!!~!" so he decided that he has to put in for his pension early, which means that since he's only 55, he'll get a grand $6000/year, since he didn't work enough (to 65) to get a full benefits package. You try not hating the system when you've only got yourself and your mother to support a father who no one will hire because of circumstances completely out of his control, and a brother who is mentally handicapped and is incapable of having any kind of sustainable job. I bet you've never had any kinds of problems in Hattanland, so you probably wouldn't understand. You try working two jobs (three, if you count my writing) to support your family and barely getting by. I used to consider you a friend but you know what I'm realising? You're just an asshole who gets enjoyment out of belittling others.

That really hurt, and you can all just piss off now.

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