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SiCrane

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I'm really sick of people asking for help without showing the code. Or mentioning what compiler they're using. Or what programming language for that matter. But right now I'm really pissed with the not showing code part, especially for those posting in the For Beginners forum.

I mean it's not like we're going to rip off the code. And it's not like we haven't seen worse. Heck, no matter what code is posted, I've probably written worse.

And this goes double for the people reinventing the wheel. Like a guy who's writing a new vector class or smart pointer implementation. Even though we've seen a miliion implementations doesn't mean we can magically divine what you're doing or why it's going wrong from just a description.

I'm annoyed.
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I'm annoyed.

No, really? [smile]

Anyway, I must point out that the opposite is as infuriating - if not more so.

Click on a post and find a 1000 lines, no source or code tags, of their entire program and a "the triangle renders black, why? tell me how to fix it".

Newsgroups and forums would be a much better place if people read the various guides on "how to ask a good question" first - but I think we all know that won't happen anytime soon [headshake]

Jack

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I tend to be a bit more forgiving in the For Beginners forum, but I tend to ignore many of the posts you're describing. Unless someone states that english is not their native language - I'm hesitant to reply until they learn the correct way to ask a question.

What does annoy me is when someone asks a question that is answered in either the forum faq or a stickie at the top of the forum. Or when the answer to the question if RTFM. For example there was a SDL thread a while ago where someone asked why SDL_Init() wasn't working - it was returning 0. If he had read the docs he would have discovered that it returns 0 on success and a negative number on failure.

But in the end, I think the problem is just that some people just don't know any better.

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Yeah, theres one guy whos ben posting the last couple days who decided that the thing to do is flame long standing members, ask odd questions about his program and refuse to show code, and insist he already did that when you tell him what's wrong.

Go newbies! :)

Then there are the newbies who ask the right question, post their code in source tags, and thank you for the reply.

The thing that irritates me is when you give a suggestion and they never post in the thread again to let anyone know it's been solved. Sometimes people will post another 5-6 messages and the OP never replies. That is irritating.

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And this goes double for the people reinventing the wheel. Like a guy who's writing a new vector class or smart pointer implementation.


Amen, brother. Preach that word.

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Amen, brother. Preach that word.

For practical reasons, I can understand the criticsm... but for learning purposes, I think people would do well to re-implement a lot of the standard containers and algorithms. Once.

We had to do this as part of our Algorithms And Data Structures course at uni, wasn't news to me - but it helped a lot of people I knew at the time [smile]

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I tend to ignore posts with either not enough or too much code. Posts with too much code usually get it worse because I dont want to go sorting through their entire program to find a small problem - at least you can ask for more code for those that dont post enough.

Another thing that gets me are people who say "doesnt work" or "there is an error" without explaining. They dont post error codes or even clarify if it's a compile error or runtime error.

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