Just to reiterate what I''ve said before (and what''s been coming up a bit lately) - I will delete all message that contain flaming, insults, off-topic BS, and the like. Not close the message, but delete them. This forum is dedicated to DirectX development of all levels - beginning, intermediate, and expert. Beginners - do not be afraid to post your questions here (with the exception of OpenGL vs. DirectX posts ) Posters - just as your mothers tell you - if you have nothing nice to say, then don''t say anything. Let''s keep this site one of the best on the web for game development. The DX forum is the 3rd largest on this site, reaching upwards of 75,000 posts so far, and is only passed up by the lounge and the Game Programming forums. Jim Adams home.att.net/~rpgbook Author, Programming Role-Playing Games with DirectX