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Grand Theft Auto type game: yeah?

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Ok here''s the idea:


You start out with nothing, and you break into someone''s home, kill them or beat them for their keys, take their car, travel as far as you can (if you took their money as well, you can buy gas) and eventually go from one side of the country to the other.


start off somewhere in Hickmond, Bobsville (the equivelant of New England) and got to Jerkoffopolis, Cuminyeria (the equivelant of California) or you can go north or south like canada or mexico.

along the way you''ll meet some high-profile hitchhikers like Ned Gein, wanted for murder in 21 states, who will supply you with a new ride and some guns and stuff,

an ex con who''ll hook you up with connections for safe motels and stuff

and some prostitute that needs a ride to cali (sidekick kind of thing.)

the loading scenes could be a tv or radio report saying that police are on a nation wide manhunt or something.

your car will break down at some point or another, and you''ll need to hitchhike, and you''ll get a ride with someone who recognises your face after you shave. or something like that.

my wrecking crew and i have been discussing this idea for a future project of ours. any comments?

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So gameplay involves driving down empty interstate highways for hours on end? I mean, will there be cops chasing you, roadblocks to avoid, helicopters, city driving..?

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Comments? Sure. Make it fun. Interesting. Entertaining. Challenging. In short, far more in depth and well though out than what you''ve posted.

After you''ve done so, make it into a game.

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Original post by Melraidin
Comments? Sure. Make it fun. Interesting. Entertaining. Challenging. In short, far more in depth and well though out than what you''ve posted.

After you''ve done so, make it into a game.


My thoughts exactly.

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you drive through cities and such, when you get onto the interstate, it does the loading thing.

you can stay at hotels and motels and stuff, and you can do stuff like get your car painted and buy new clothes, and people will report any suspicious sightins and police will chase you.

there will be times when your character will owe someone money, and they''ll be hunting you down as well as the police.

the game is more about how much illegal sh*t you can do and get away with it?

shoot people and steal cars, burn down buildings, lots of fun.

if you play nice and go through the game without doing anything illegal, then things like cars breaking down and townsfolk reporting you will be more common, but if you choose to wreak havoc on your way across the country, you''ll most likely steal better cars, take hostages, meet interesting people, etc.

its still a very rough idea.

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oh and the gameplay would be focused on the initial procurement of an automobile, the first escape from the small town and then getting to the next town and getting a new car or just gas and then meeting the people like ned gein who gives you a black pickup truck, some weapions and a bunch of money, and sends you on your way.

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Hmmm... Actually, this sounds like a neat idea ^_^

Though I think you should also include the highways / interstates... It''s always fun to race away from the cops, race into a new town, ditch your car, and get a new one and drive straight past them

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I don''t like the idea of driving through the "country". Barren, open roads are not something I''m fond of in video games (boring..)

From your original description, it sounds pretty "hickish". A southern rebel in a stolen, 70''s car, with a red-headed prostitute.. it reminds me of that movie with Natalie Portman, where she gives birth in WalMart. Can''t remember the name.

I''d keep it more urban or citylike. What would be very cool is if the game involved high speed chases across state highways and such, or the warping, multi-leveled highway circuits of Los Angeles. Picture bursting through a barricade and flying down 30 feet to one of the overpasses below. Could be cool.

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Well if your after high speed chases in cities and the such check out Police Justice http://www.codefortress.com/pages/PoliceJustice1.html its a mix of cops the show and GTA 3.

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Adam
www.xu1productions.com

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you might add a few options other than just driving...

one of my friends had the idea for a game that basically involved causing as much havoc in a city as possible before you got caught. you might add some things where you can watch the news at certain times and see updates on the police positions

you could create cities as you get into them - randomly, that is, and then maybe even save the cities so you can go back. of course, there are limits of how much you can do. but i would try to make the cities as open to you as possible.

anyways, im going to keep this short, but i would definitely buy this game. it sounds cool. i would suggest you play driver for a while, too. the driving works pretty well in that game - but the police need better AI.

speaking of which, i would suggest as real of AI for the cops as you can get. eg, if you kill a cop, the others REALLY want to kill you, not just stop you. or if you kill pedestrians, they just run like hell or freeze.

anyways, good luck - post something on the site if you finish it!!

-geo

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Yeah, hope you don''t mind the response from a newbie. Anyway, you''re idea is a good one, although there are a few things you could add. First, making it a car game/on the run game doesn''t please me too well. Perhaps adding in some things like being able to cause riots in cities, or just running around the city/area without a car and being able to magically pull out a bazooka from your back pocket. While the game''s main theme could be to cause carnage and get away from the cops by car, I think having the freedom of bending the basic idea a little bit in the game could be a thing that would give it a lot of reply value. As in GTA, you were free to do whatever you wanted as well for the most part.

As for the highway/interstate scenes, I''d say you keep them in for the most part, although for the sake of the game, you may not want to stick to realism, and only cause these things to go on for a minute or so. Sure you cannot cover a whole 70 miles in two minutes, but if you really stick to being realistic, the game can get boring. I think the interstate could hold some other things as well. While it is to get from one city to the other, it''s also where you''re the most vulnerable to the law enforcement. Imagine trying to shake a pack of state trooper cars behind you by going 100 mph or beyond with helicoptors trying to shoot at your car from above. Then you look ahead, and you see a road block of FBI cars blocking your way.

Also, who wouldn''t want to try to lose the FBI by driving through a corn field?

My only other idea would be to have a sort of wanted meter that works a bit differently then what most game have, in which it''s more gradual. For example, upon killing the man or making your first crime you may be merrited with one or two police cars being in pursuit of you. As you cause more chaos, you may get more police cars, and perhaps the state trooper would be on you soon enough, followed by the FBI and I guess the Army would be last. Upon getting out of the city and onto the interstate, the police would back off obviously, being out of their limits and all.

Anyway, those are my sort of add on to it. My only questions are why does the guy want to get to the other side of the country? Unless he''s going to go to Mexico or something to avoid law authority could I see a purpose. Also, he has to have a reason to commit this first crime as well. I understand that such things should probably be in the story forum, but I have to see the purpose of this guy doing what he does in order be wanting to get there.

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Original post by munkie
From your original description, it sounds pretty "hickish". A southern rebel in a stolen, 70''s car, with a red-headed prostitute.. it reminds me of that movie with Natalie Portman, where she gives birth in WalMart. Can''t remember the name.



"Where the Heart Is"

I think this idea is overall pretty nice. One thing I find lacking in GTA3 is character attachment. The guy never says a single word, and kills people callously (through the player of course). I also think that a lot of us wonder to ourselves just how far we could get if we ever turned criminal. I''d like to play that out in a game.

One off-topic question: Does ''The Guy'' in GTA3 kill Maria in the end? I know there''s a gunshot and she stops blabbing, but does that necessarily mean that she''s dead?



"If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein

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Ok, i''ve been thinking of ideas and drawing up concepts for customised cars and stuff, and we decided that this should be a Twisted Metal style game, only not as "arena" -ish.

to explain, the highway/interstate scenes would be used for loading screens. so while it''s loading it''ll play a looping video of the player driving their car on the highway. then we''ll hear "news reports" and stuff. if the player hasn''t done anything criminal yet, like as in if they just did boring stuff, it''d play sh*tty country music. sorta like a punishment for not f*cking things up. if they wreaked havoc in the last town, then the news reports would come on, reporting stories like arson and stuff. it''ll be interactive, or dynamic. for example, different buildings will be classified, and then the number of buildings destroyed/burnt down will also be reported, along with many other things. like you''ll hear "today, a staggering 27 counts of arson were reported, resulting in the tragic deaths of 86 people. These buildings include Beverly City Elementary School, the White Supremecist Church of Gangbuck, and a Hell gas station. Police are searching for a man/woman in a *color of player''s car* *model*, with the license plate 1234567." also, if any "famous" people are killed, that''ll be reported as well. so the player can do things like work as an assasin, killing politicians or something, or they could smuggle things over borders, or they could just become a roving maniac and kill as many people as possible. since there will only be about 7 towns/cities, i think it''ll be possible to have an almost persistent online game, where people could join up with other people, and form clans or somehting.

*cool ideas for customised cars*

Medusa: A trailer truck, one of those big rigs, with an 8-gun AA turret on the back, and a .50 caliber machinegun mounted on the roof. players pick up passengers or recruit gang members/criminals/psychos to man the guns

Savant: a yellow schoolbus filled with machinegun toting maniacs and maybe children held hostage.

Amputator: a hijacked ambulance mounted with some sort of big gun. concept drawings look cool, heh.

a few others, i havent named them and i''m not too sure i like the design, as they look too similar to Vigilante8/Twisted Metal/etc.


oooh! and i just saw SE7EN, Fight Club, Con Air, and Snatch. i know, a lot of them had Brad Pitt in it. it seems like he''s in a bunch of good movies. i guess he''s a good actor. i kinda like the gritty feel of Fight Club and SE7EN, and the chaotic and psychotic sense in Con Air and Snatch. i think these are pretty good movies to base the game off, don''t you?

I had an idea just now: why not make a bunch of other raving lunatics in pursuit of Vehicular Homicide Nirvana? so you could choose to be an undercover cop or something and arrest/kill off as many of the others as possible, while tracking them down? yeah? yeah?

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Don''t Develop this idea any furthur till you have beaten Mafia (new PC game) and taken notes. While similar to GTA3 it is extremely realistic (blowing out of tires, road blocks have strips of nails, Police are actually REALLY hard to ditch, and a great story.) I like your concept but you really have to play mafia and take a crap load of notes before you can really fully develop this.

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Mafia RoX!!!

Well, I actually haven''t played it yet, cause there''s no demo, and I don''t buy games too often.

But its getting good reviews.

You wouldn''t want to spend too much time working on a "me too" game design, but some of your ideas are original, so if you could find ways to differentiate it from the competition...

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When I first read this the first movie that popped into my mind was Natural Born Killers. You might want to watch that movie for inspiration. Another movie that comes to mind is Badlands.

There are a lot of neat things you could do with this idea. When you stay at hotels it would be cool if you could change your appearance. Dye your hair, change clothes, wear a wig, etc.

If it''s going to take place in the desert there are a few things you could do to make it interesting. How about mirages and illusions? Insane halucinations. That''s all aspectes that are actually in Natural Born Killers that made the movie so cool. The could probably be translated over to a game to make it very effective.

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So, you want me to stick to a more "life of crime" kind of feel? i was thinking it would be cool to have a game like gta3, as far as driving through cities and stuff, but with the psychotic madness of Twisted Metal.

If you''re talking about the realism in mafia, well, i''m pretty sure that we got that covered, you really should read up on the other threads, to get an idea of how far we''ve gone so far for realism in another game. it''s almost ridiculous. about shooting tires out, yeah. we got that planned. about roadblocks and bulletholes and blood splattering on the windshield and the rearview mirror cracking and cars leaning and rims sparking and engines smoking and all that, we''re gonna have all that. don''t you worry.

I really want feedback on whether or not it would be a good idea to go the Twisted Metal route. i''m a big fan of Destruction Derbies and stuff, i think it''d be great to see that stuff with per pixel hi detection (like in SOFII:DH) and per polygon physics for damage modeling in a game, but i think that a Destruction Derby only game will get pretty freakin boring. i want guns, i gotsta have my guns, god and government, man... (sory, MM reference. FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!...) I can''t have a game without fire, blood, guns, and gore.

So what should it be?

Dark and brooding, depressing and scary, a la SE7EN, Fight Club, Twisted Metal" Black?

or Deep, intriguing, crime noir, seedy a la Max Payne on wheels?

Hickish and rebelicious with hot biker babes and stripper babes and prostitute babes and nudity galore, with aliens and mansters and robots? a la Duke P/Nukem 3D?

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I would avoid the Twisted Metal route. Those games have been done way too much and if you ever create one you''ll never be able to top Twisted Metal.

It should be more story driven but allow people the ability to do what they want. Sort of like GTA3 but I''d focus on ways to make it different from that game. A videogame about a murderous road trip has never been created before to my knowledge. I''d stick with that idea. An adventure through the desert to escape the police. You could either go across the border into Mexico, Canada, or you could try to hook up with a crime boss in a major city to hide from the cops, etc.

I''d stick with a more adventure game type feel with a good storyline and character development. The game could start out in Virginia or somewhere like that. You can either go north or south to get to Mexico/Canada. At a certain point as you''ve finished going through a state the game goes to a loading screen with a map of the US. I guess it could be similar to Cruisin'' USA''s map if you ever played that.

As you''re traveling you can kill people and steal their money, rob banks and gas stations, etc. You can use this money to buy weapons, food, etc. It would be cool if your choices of who you rob affect how people respond to you. Yes, the police will be after you but if you rob from corrupt politicians, mob bosses that are making people''s lives miserable, etc. then the citizens you meet will be more willing to help you out. They''ll let you stay at their house or distract the police when they''re after you.

This idea has a lot more potential than just another GTA or Twisted Metal clone. I''d try to flesh out some of the ideas that would make this game more unique from everything else out there.

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