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Does anyone use NTFS for windows 2k? Are there limitations on it? Could you still develop and play games? Currently have 2 harddrives both formatted as FAT32. One of the harddrive (c is where I store operation system (win2k) and installed applications. The other harddrive is where all my important data lies. If I reformat the C: drive to NTFS and leaving the other drive alone, will I be able to use it normally? [edited by - vbisme on August 31, 2002 1:24:04 PM]

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Yes, I use it.
No there are no limitations. Nothing you would be doing in a game should require NTFS. At least nothing I can think of. Some options for manipulating files with the Win32 API are limited to NT based operating systems, but thats why the MSDN library exists. Just don''t use those options and your game should be fine.

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The only reason *not* to use NTFS is if you are dual booting with Win9x, or dual booting with Linux, and you need write access to your Windows partition. NTFS is superior to FAT32 in every way.

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quote:
Original post by Martee
The only reason *not* to use NTFS is if you are dual booting with Win9x, or dual booting with Linux, and you need write access to your Windows partition. NTFS is superior to FAT32 in every way.



Yep. And even then, just bung 2 hard drives in one FAT, one NTFS - then get the NTFS access utils from www.sysinternals.com so you can get to the NTFS drive from 9x

[that''s what I do on my home machine]

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Simon O''Connor
Creative Asylum Ltd
www.creative-asylum.com

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There is an extremly good reason not to use NTFS. Unless you use a program like norton''s ghost to create backups of your system from time to time, it is extremly likely that should a problem occur you can loose all of your data. Why? Simply because you can''t make a NTFS Boot disk.

Take for instance what recently happened to me. I recently had to upgrade my motherboard. This new motherboard had a different drive controller than my previous motherboard so when win2k decided to boot up it would try to detect the drives and lock. So I tried the next logical step which was to boot up in "repair" mode. This mode is a wonderful mode however it only allows you to access one drive at a time, and will not delete the winnt directory. Needless to say that this lead to me having to reformat my hard drive all because there was no real way to retrieve or backup the data stored on the NTFS partition. And because a normal fat32 boot disk can''t read the NTFS data either. So unless you do frequent backups I''d avoid NTFS.

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If you had used the console mode when using the installation disk you could have accessed the files normally. You could then have copied the files you need to another location.

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Stick the hard drive in another computer. Or don't store important data on the system partition. Or boot from another install of NT on the same computer. Or boot from a Linux install on the same computer. Heck, you could probably boot from one of those 'Live Evaluation' Linux CDs, mount the NTFS partition, and copy all of the data over a network to a safe location.

Edit: Oh, and you can get NTFS boot disks. There's even a free read-only NTFS driver for DOS at SysInternals.

[edited by - Martee on August 30, 2002 2:34:41 PM]

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I currently have 2 harddrives both formatted as FAT32. One of the harddrive (c is where I store operation system (win2k) and installed applications. The other harddrive is where all my important data lies. If I reformat the C: drive to NTFS and leaving the other drive alone, will I be able to use it normally?

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I don''t remember all the details, but there are lots of reasons to pick NTFS over FAT32, like file level security and what not. This is something you can look up on Google. Always pick NTFS over FAT32 unless you have some very very good reasons.

Basically, FAT32 was designed for stand alone DOS machines, has almost zero security, and has lots of other problems from its DOS legacy. You''d be crazy to use FAT32 for enterprise or commercial use.

NTFS was designed from the ground up to be a file system to be used in commercial and enterprise settings. They basically took all the nice features of the UNIX file system and mushed it onto the old FAT32 system.

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It''s a journaling file system like Ext3,XFS or RaiserFS on Linux. So it''s definatly safer than FAT, but that doesn''t help if you had a head-crash

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You don''t have to reformat to goto NTFS
In fact, IIRC, you can''t do this on the sys drive.
You have to install as FAT/FAT32, and then run the NTFS converter.
There''s no NTFS to FAT32 converter though, so it''s a one-way-strreet.
(If you choose NTFS during Windows setup, it formats FAT/FAT32 and converts to NTFS on first boot)

All the performance reports I''ve seen have indicated that NTFS is slower than FAT32 - but I must admit I haven''t looked anytime recently (a few years ago for NT4, not 2k or XP).

NTFS gives you additional security options, and lets you compress files & folders.

NTFS out-of-box is not much more relibable than FAT32. Hardware problems are far more likely to mess up your data, since both are proven code on NT. So to have additional reliablity you need a RAID system.

Yes vbisme, you can freely mix NTFS, CDFS, & FAT32 volumes, and access them all.

Btw, having a sys drive and a data drive is a GOOD idea.

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my current setup is all fat32 (coz i was duel booting linux at one point, but needed the space back for work reasons)
anyways, my drive setup has a 4gig drive as the system root drive, that way if win2k dies a horrible and messy death i can format that partion with next to no dataloss (i should probably backup my email more often however... i feel a script coming on.. anyways.. ) reinstall windows and i''m good to go (my documents has been moved to D:\my documents so its safe)

And you can convert from NTFS -> FAT32 again, i''ve done it with partion magic 7 before now, however u cant do it if you have any compressed data on the drive.

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