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Look, i wnat the best, but when you are starting out, you dont get the best, I have some plans for some games, but one person cant do it all, i need some people that want to learn, and some people that want to teach, money, who cares, you cant make money if you arent working, sides, if you love it, you wont want it, when a project starts, we will get together and get some legals drawn up, and all that good stuff, till then we fuggled and just have to deal with being broke and wanting, advice...im learning Python, C, C++, already know VB do i need some people with experience, some people that have needed rendering programs, people that can draw..well, help me draw...i just need some help...post here, and we might just get rich.....by the way...welcome to Necro Tech

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Hmmm I do not want to be rude but exactly how much do you know about programing with C++/programing WIN32 applications/programing games ?
Coz if you are a newbe in game programing ( like me ) than I think that you have a very long way to go until making or joining a team of programers would make any sense , and an even longer way until you can make some mony out of this .
I for exemple , I am trying to make some litle demos alone and learn some things about DirectX and maybe OpenGL and from what I''ve read here and there this is the way to go....
But then again I am just a newbe on game programing so I might be wrong...... but this is just my opinion

DariusKing

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Original post by Sycotik_Episodes
Look, i wnat the best, but when you are starting out, you dont get the best, I have some plans for some games, but one person cant do it all, i need some people that want to learn, and some people that want to teach, money, who cares, you cant make money if you arent working, sides, if you love it, you wont want it, when a project starts, we will get together and get some legals drawn up, and all that good stuff, till then we fuggled and just have to deal with being broke and wanting, advice...im learning Python, C, C++, already know VB do i need some people with experience, some people that have needed rendering programs, people that can draw..well, help me draw...i just need some help...post here, and we might just get rich.....by the way...welcome to Necro Tech



Ha! This idiot thinks he's in the industry!

Suggestion: WAKE UP.
You have to crawl before you can walk and you have to walk beforeyou can run etc.
And another thing. You sound like you're learning game programming
just for the purpose of getting rich $$$ cha-ching cha-ching.
Well in the real world, people start out wanting to create
awesome games. Listen, life is about creating, giving etc.
You've got to find your life's work.
Even Shiguru Mayamoto, being the masterful game designer he is, saidthat you shouldn't make the games JUST for the fans to get money. Follow your passion. But if you're in it just for the money you wouldn't understand anyway...

Anyway, if you really want to do game programming, you better
have a damn good grip on your target language(C or C++). After you've done that, go for OpenGL, or DirectX.

That about wraps it up for my damn awesome speech, but I haven't
really said anything here that no one else has said on this
forum, why don't you do a search on "help" or "I suck" etc.


[edited by - Fucho on August 31, 2002 7:48:46 PM]

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Even Shiguru Mayamoto, being the masterful game designer he is, said that you shouldn''t make the games JUST for the fans to get money. Follow your passion.

[edited by - Fucho on August 31, 2002 7:48:46 PM]


*Shigeru Miyamoto. Heheh.

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I don''t think he''s too obsessed about the money. It''s just that some people actually CARE about what they get paid. I''m kinda feeling the same way too, he spends all his money on books, all his teenage years on learning how to program/draw, and many people get nothing out of it. I hear a lot of game developers aren''t maing anything right now, which doesn''t set a good example for anyone. I want to be one of those people who actually gets paid when they make a game, not some bum on the street, or someone who is clinging to his mom when he''s 21. Honestly, how much money are some of you people making out there huh? C''mon, tell me! Too em-BARE-ASS-ed? He just wants something for his hard work, everyone wants that.

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alot of game studios/ companies dont make money off there games... thats just the way its been for a long time. this industry is damn competitive and only the best survive and rest learn from there failures and get better.. like what the guy above said, you and me and lot of ppl here got a long way before were at the level of "professional game developer"..

Get busy livin'' or get busy dyin''... - Shawshank Redemption

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Well, if getting money is what you want, then your in the wrong industry. You should make games because you love it. Maybe if you get REALLY good, and are lucky, you can get a job doing it and make some cash. But, more than likely, you''re not going to. It sounds to me like your gonna be out of it in a little bit anyways. When you come on here blabbing about making $$$ and the roxxOr company you started, that shows the wrong attitude. And frankly, I don''t think anyone is going to want to help you if you come on here talking like that.



"With my feet upon the ground I lose myself between the sounds and open wide to suck it in, I feel it move across my skin. I''m reaching up and reaching out. I''m reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me, what ever will bewilder me. And following our will and wind we may just go where no one''s been. We''ll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one''s been." - Maynard James Keenan
[TheBlackJester ]
[Wildfire Studios ]

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great, some replies, so you all know, programming is what i love, for the past couple of years that i have been trying to learn, and find some good books and tutorials it is all that i do, i have people mad at me cause i wont stop with the computer, I know jack poop on the C language, but Python i know very little, i read some in some of the companies, and just about all are using or are gonna use Python..also, computers is what i love, i dont know much about win32, i programed Winsock and Dummysock while i was in Excite chat, anyway, i dont want money, i know that some people out there DO want it, and i was offering it, and i was telling them in a very blunt way that i dont have any money to give until a game can be sold, ell i would do them all for free if i could, but as Furion said, I need the money, and so do the people that i work for.

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Its nice to follow dreams, man I dream to be in the industry someday. But one thing I have to say is that the standard for game companies is C/C++. I''ve been programming C++ for 1 year and finally started to make games in it.

Good luck

Jeff D

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Well, if getting money is what you want, then your in the wrong industry. You should make games because you love it.



Yep, entirely true. If you want to make money, become a politician .

quote:

Maybe if you get REALLY good, and are lucky, you can get a job doing it and make some cash.



Yep. I did that. But: I worked as a consultant for non-game companies before, and I made quite a bit more than I''m making now. If you like to program, no matter what, and you want to make good money, beef up on your Oracle/C#/Java skills and find a job in the consulting game.

If you love games, go for it. Oh, and for the original poster: If you ever hope to attract professionals to join your company, try working a bit on the presentation of your ideas.

I know you want to make a game, and you want to make it fast. But you need help to do that. And people will judge you by what they can see of you - your posts. If your posts look sloppy, everybody will assume the same about your code, no matter if it''s true or not.

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I know you want to make a game, and you want to make it fast. But you need help to do that. And people will judge you by what they can see of you - your posts. If your posts look sloppy, everybody will assume the same about your code, no matter if it''s true or not.



And they''ll also assume the same about your attitude.

My advice is this.

1) Realize that what you''re trying to do is very difficult and will take a long time.

2) Decide to take the time to learn a solid language(preferably C/C++)

3) Learn a graphics API (OpenGL or D3D are the most common)

4) Don''t give up! If you put a lot of time into learning things, you''ll begin to understand them. Just practice as much as you can and don''t expect to have a game by tommorow, or next week, or next month! If you set your standards TOO high, you''ll let yourself down and give up.

I''ve been programming c++ for about 2 1/2 years, and OpenGL for about 1 1/2, and I''m just beginning to be able to understand advanced concepts and put them to use. But trust me, when you get there, its a good feelling.

If you decide to take your time, you''ll get somewhere, but if you think your gonna be pro in a year, your outta luck

So, I hope my rant gave you some motivation, and good luck on your conquests through game programming




"With my feet upon the ground I lose myself between the sounds and open wide to suck it in, I feel it move across my skin. I''m reaching up and reaching out. I''m reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me, what ever will bewilder me. And following our will and wind we may just go where no one''s been. We''ll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one''s been." - Maynard James Keenan
[TheBlackJester ]
[Wildfire Studios ]

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aight, im taking the advice that i was given, im going offline totaly to devote my time to Programming, OpenGl, DiredtX, Python, C/C++, all of it, i think yuo all for the posts, and i wont be here to read them anymore, I hope that when i come back you are ALL FREE to join a team....Thanks again...Later..

Syco

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i think i was in his position a while ago, but i realised that C++ and VB, my chosen languages, were not eay to learn for a beginner then i though ok, ill have to make a game in about 3 - 4 yrs. When i mean a game i mean fully 3d. As i have a, imo, GR8 idea for a game and would love to produce it but have no team to do so and have not the knowledge to produce the game.

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Thanks for the rant, it does help to know someone is on my side, i do want to learn all languages, i know some fall short of others and stuff, i like the openGl games better, and i''ll probably learn both of those too, only problem i have is i dled a C++ coder and compiler and i cant figure them out, but today is the last day i plan on bein here, so i can start delving into the programming world once again, thanks again for the rant, it does help, and i''ll be telling my self that for a good while, thanks to the one that added that link, it looks easier than the one that i have,,,,thank you all

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Well, if getting money is what you want, then your in the wrong industry.


^^^^

Damn, have we really classified it down to ignorant game programmers that think theyll get money, and game programmers that just do it because they love it?

Although its very difficult to make money in this industry, it doesnt mean that its impossible, or it cant be done. And what about the satisfaction that EVERY ONE OF US gets when we know that someone has enjoyed a game that we created, told us how great a game we created is. The point is making money is always nice, but there are other ways of recieving payment(besides the physical form) aswell, and that we all love/enjoy it, otherwise we wouldnt be here in the first place.

[edited by - Zavenus on September 2, 2002 4:21:15 PM]

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Well, if getting money is what you want, then your in the wrong industry.

^^^^

Damn, have we really classified it down to ignorant game programmers that think theyll get money, and game programmers that just do it because they love it?

Although its very difficult to make money in this industry, it doesnt mean that its impossible, or it cant be done. And what about the satisfaction that EVERY ONE OF US gets when we know that someone has enjoyed a game that we created, told us how great a game we created is. The point is there are different kinds or recieving payment than just money, and that we all love it, or we wouldnt be here.


Right on. That's why I'm here.


[edited by - Fucho on September 2, 2002 4:06:30 PM]

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