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Nehe, and your broken pump

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Famine    100
Is it a submersible? How old is the pump? if it is, whats the depth the pump is set at? Are you sure its the pump, and not a stripped wire or something else? sometimes the pump will bounce around down there in the well as the pump turns on and off and over time it can skin a wire, causing a short, this is easy to fix. Make sure the pressure switch isnt just malfunctioning too. You might not have to pull and replace the entire pump, thats all i''m saying...

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Famine    100
Oh yeah, give me the details, and I can help you diagnose it further...


Things like, the age of the pump, the setup of your system, is the pump submersible etc., what the symptoms are, i.e. does the pump kick on and off, is your water tank staying pressured, are your neighbors experiencing problems with their wells as well, how deep is the well?

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vincoof    514
I think you should email him because he doesn't check the forum as often as his mailbox.

(Edit: ooops I just read news from the NeHe Productions homepage. I think you can forget what I just written)

[edited by - vincoof on October 2, 2002 3:58:38 AM]

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baldurk    1028
I think it might be an idea to postpone the contest until nehe has time. I *really* don't think that NeHe needs a contest to sort out at the moment :/.

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[edited by - baldurk on October 2, 2002 3:48:58 PM]

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vincoof    514
Are you trying to get more time to finish your demo ?

I think that NeHe will cancel/move/shorten/whatever the demo if he think it has to be done. I''m pretty confident about it.

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NeHe    379
The dreaded pump from hell...

Unfortunately, I know nothing about this pump, aside from the following:

It''s About 3-4 feet tall, it''s got an electric motor on the top of it, a belt driving the gears. The gears are submerged in oil and it has a rod that goes into the ground

I have checked the tank pressure, it''s at 25lbs (not a problem), I have checked for leaks, and there are none. I have checked the oil and it''s clean and covering the gears. The gears are spinning, the motor is spinning. I can''t tell if the pump is pumping, although I''m going to assume it is, because I can hear it clang as it goes up and down. I will try to get a picture of it posted...

I''m sure it belongs in a museum. As for the depth, and "critical" information, I have no clue

I''m not sure it''s the pressure switch, it seems like the pump just isnt pumping fast enough. I can hear it go down, then I hear water go through the line, but it doesn''t sound like alot. It''s definitely not a wire. The pump does run... and it runs for a long time, probably because it''s building pressure.

If I turn on a tap, the water comes out fast UNTIL the pump comes on... then it just trickles out. Assuming that''s when the tank loses pressure and the pump comes on.

Pump only comes on when the tank loses pressure (tap on, toilet flush, shower, etc).

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NeHe    379
Sorry, just read the other posts in this thread... the contest is a go, and so that no one gets bitter or angry with me asking for some support, there will be a prize, and it will be a good prize.

My problems are numerous... everything from work, low pay, lots going on at once to family life, relationship, dad and his problems with the bank, etc...

I''ll get through, but it all has to be done in steps... to help my dad, I need money... to get money, I need to work OT, get another job, or sell everything I own.

On top of all that, the pump is really stressing me out, money is stressing me out, etc... Typical life stuff, but on a grand scale and all at once.

Just waiting for my roof to cave in or something.

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NeHe    379
Hope this works:








And Yes, it's as nasty as it looks!

[edited by - NeHe on October 3, 2002 11:46:38 PM]

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Famine    100
Yikes!! That is an old one..

Ok, if you say that the pump is constantly kicking on and off, usually that is a pressure problem. It looks like you''ve had your tank replaced before, because its a half modern setup. Usually the tank pressure is set on a 40/60 switch, ie. when the tank pressure drops below 40, this should trigger the switch, and turn on the pump to get it back up to 60. So, 25 sounds pretty low and may be causing you the problems. I''ve seen this before. If the pump is running, and water is flowing, it shouldnt need to be replaced, and this is a cheap fix. It looks like you have 2 pressure switches though, one on your water tank, and one on the pump, or nitrogen tank or something(the damn ugly green thing)? Anyhow, your water tanks should usually be at 40/60 (from the looks of it it seems to be a regular sized tank)

Now, on the other hand (the bad news), if it is your pump that is crapping out, and its just not pummping as well and this is causing your pressure to build up so slow, this could be big trouble (I know you didnt want to hear that). This would require putting in an entire new pump (I''m guessing you figured that one out), which now days are submersible, which depending on the situation may need a new well drilled at around 10$ a foot give or take a few, plus the cost of the pump installation. Anyhow, honestly I was hoping I could help you more, but I think this is one of those where I need to be there to see it...

Good luck, everything will work out ok so dont worry!

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NeHe    379
Unfortunately, Its the second scenario... if it pumped only when the pump was on, I could live with that, but water only flows when the pump is off, and the air cylinder is pressurized. Once the pump starts, it''s not keeping the pressure and it''s just trickles out. I''m not sure what the green thing is, I guess I''m going to have to go back into the dungeon and have a look. As you can tell, it''s not a friendly room (2'' x 2'' ... ?).

So I''m going to assume the worst and guess that the pump is fubar. Odd though, because it is pumping, and it''s not going any slower, it spins at a pretty good speed...

Then again, I think a submersible would be nice... probably alot quieter? I just dread this question... how much does a new pump go for and what is the average depth of a well?

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Famine    100
That sounds very strange. The pump should be kicking on and filling up your tank with water until a certain pressure is reached at which point the pump is kicked off by the pressure switch. The pressure then is what pushes the water into your faucets etc. until the pressure drops below the threshold at which point the pump starts to pressure up the tank again with water. If your pump is still spinning at a normal speed, the pump should be fine. This doesnt sound like an expensive problem. If you are getting water from the well, the pump is spinning at a normal rate, but your pressure is going up and down in weird ways, I would still assume there is some sort of leak or pressure problem which usually would not require an entirely new pump.


A submersible would be silent, because it would be at the bottom of your well :-), and the well usually sets around 100 feet from your house outside.

There are no filters on water wells, you drink the water directly from the ground, unless there is a filter or softener connected to the water tank. The water would flow from the the tank to the filters then into your plumbing. Of course the well is shocked before you drink anything to kill contamination. Older wells were shallower, and sometimes were set above the bedrock, but now the common practice is to set your well casing at least 20 feet or more (usually more) into the bedrock, in order to make a seal between the overburden water runoff and your clean drinking water.

A new pump and a new well , depends on the scenario. The depth of the well varies from place to place as geology changes. Around my area, wells range from 100, to 800 or 1000 feet, so they have a wide range of depths. If you replace the pump you currently have, you might be able to fit a similar pump into your existing system and that type might still be manufactured, although much smaller and quieter. New pumps are usually in the hundreds of dollars, and a new well would be in the multi-thousand dollar range depending all on the depth, which would also determine how large the submersible pump needs to be. If you change from your internal pump to a submersible pump system, it is going to be a very expensive and messy ordeal. Either way, have a professional come out and look at it, so that they can better tell you what will work with your existing hardware, or if you need to replace all of your existing system.

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NeHe    379
Well, after an entire day of calling all the companies in the Yellow pages, I managed to get the lowest price... total cost for removal and reinstall... $1500 + parts. Turns out it''s probably leathers or a check valve at the bottom of the pump... ughhhh...

So much for trying to get ahead.

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