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Myopic Rhino

The Official Radeon Ad Thread

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On the subject of content.....yeah it does seem that articles and such are coming in a little slower. As soon as I can find time to finish my particle engine article and clean up the associated source and editor, you have it.

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Even though some ppl said it makes ATI look bad, I think the opposite. Recently I've been looking into buying a new vcard n this december or whnever the new cards come out by nvidia i was going to buy a gforce2 but after seeing those ads it's made me reconsider back and forth between the two. Either way, it made me aware of the fact the ATI makes cards 2 (you can see i didn't do 2 much research yet sinse i dind't already know that).

Maybe the same thing will happen to others or future others. And finally, just click the x if you don't like it. it's only there for a second and it's better than having to pay money. paying money would definitly discourage new members from joining gamedev.net. that's my thoughts.

Just wondering, when I first saw it it was out of the corner of my eye as i wuz entering the room when the page wuz loading. Did anyone else but me think it was a virus at first?

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[edited by - RapidStunna on October 22, 2002 10:11:28 PM]
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I agree with AP above...this stunt only drives more nails into the uber-marketing team that is ATI.

Don''t ever forget the Daikatana Rule of Advertisement: The more we hype the product, the more we should be wary of it.

Seriously, kudos to Gamedev for explaining the need for this ad, and kudos for people here keeping an open mind (and knowing exactly WHERE to place any blame)..yes it IS annoying and infuriating to sit through each time I go to gamedev, but it IS a small price to pay for viewing the best game development content on the net bar none.

I wonder if we can find a link to a page anywhere within ATI that shows statistical reports on clickable ads vs. sales figures??...

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Well can''t say the add is killing there user base, after clicking on the add by accident I went through there website, and I''m more or likely going to purchase there new card within the next few months.

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I don''t even know what you guys are talking about I don''t know where this ad is supposed to be but I guess Opera kills it dead ....
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Recently I''ve been looking into buying a new vcard n this december or whnever the new cards come out by nvidia i was going to buy a gforce2 but after seeing those ads it''s made me reconsider back and forth between the two.
See now, the first thing I would do is post and ask "What''s the best card?" Ads be damned ....

Chris Barry (crbarry at mts.net)
My Personal Programming Depot
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It could be worse...There could be SOUND in the ad! Nothing annoys me more than having some stupid flash ad pop up with some annoying, ultra-low quality sound effect playing. This is mainly due to the fact that my computer is constantly running winamp and is connected to my stereo system, which occaisionaly finds itself at very high decibel levels.
As long as GameDev leaves sound out of the ads, I''ll survive.
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If I were a member of the GDNEt staff I would get back to ATI on the complaints issue about the ad. Since now you have proof of your point on how disliked it is. Maybe they would see things differently then. If not then it is not listening to the flood of complaints given to you. I have full understanding for the need of money for a site like this and I am not asking you to remove the ad, I am asking you to ask ATI to at least change it.
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I think Eurogamer are doing this sponsorship thing the right way, basically they re-skin the site every now and then, with their sponsors theme, the design is usually good so it''s not intrusive nor time wasting in the way a layered Flash banner is and their sponsor gets very good exposure.

http://www.eurogamer.net/
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I think it could be funny to make a Survey in the home page, something like this:

Do you think the Radeon''s ad is annoying?

- Yes it''s a pain in the ass!
- Yes I hate it!
- Yes I had to turn off activex on my browser
- Yes but I use mozilla so I never saw it
- Yes but it pay the bills, or so I was told.
- Yes but I don''t care
- TAKE IT OUT!!!!!

hehe





MADe WITH NO LIMITS IN MIND
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I fear the results if I try to browse GDnet on my laptop with that ad on. I''m guessing it would take at least a minute to render.
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the amount of complaints coming in isn''t even a dent on the hits that come to GDNet probably. Everyone saying this is such a horrible thing is a minority. And why boycott ATI just for taking advantage of one of the newest internet advertising technologys. Commercials are everywhere. If there is a way found to put a commercial somewhere.. its going there. We can''t do anything about it, so accept it. ATI still makes an awesome product (blows the market AWAY) so why boycott it just based on the fact you don''t like to hear about it?

"The human mind is limited only by the bounds which we impose upon ourselves." -iNfuSeD
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I can''t wait to pay !!! Damn ads.

I don''t think you have to shut down access for non-members. All you need to do is to put some sort of symbol next to the names of members. This will make them feel ELITE, and they will gladly pay.
I don''t need anything to pay. Just make it VERY easy to pay using my VISA and I will donate something every month (no paypal please).
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Just a thought. As much as many people are saying that they dislike the ad, in a way, it is ads like this which are going to keep things going (as has been stated). What I''m fearing is that potential advertisers will be discouraged from giving GameDev.net their hard earned money keeping this site alive. Sure, we have got this ad taking care of things for a while, but as has been stated, it is only temporary.

Personally, I think a good method might be to show a full page ad for a couple of seconds and then forward us the the real GameDev.net page and that is all we will see of the ad for the day. With my limited webpage knowledge, it could be made so it would work with all browsers, without any plug ins as long as people were allowing cookies... actually, maybe that would pose a problem. Bah, what would I know

If you weigh up what we are paying with what we are receiving, we have a pretty sweet deal. Before you go saying "I''ll never buy a radeon ever again.", consider that if a potential advertiser sees this, you might be the one to sway them into taking their business elsewhere leaving us nothing.

I realise that this post is hardly going to suddenly convert everyone to wanting to buy a radeon, but please consider the long term effects.

Perhaps we could form a list of possible ideas which would sit a bit better with people, for example, the sponsered skinning sounds like a good idea to me, not only would it help pay the bills, but it would give a nice bit of variety

Trying is the first step towards failure.
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I don''t mind the Radeon advertisement. I don''t really see the problem. It''s quite a novel approach, and since it helps gamedev, it''s fine with me.

Knowing that the number of times it is viewed counts, I''ll start to slow down with clicking to new pages (often I change before the add is loaded).

Oh, and if GameDev allows us to pay... not just paypal okay? Please ensure that there is also a way to wire-over the money or something (I don''t have a credit card, but I want to pay :D )
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Allright with making it a pay site, take into acount I dont earn dollars

4 Pesos = 1 Dollar

But NO green mocus then!

[edited by - xaxa on October 23, 2002 7:05:55 AM]
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Thanks, Myopic Rhino, for this informative statement.

This thread is already three pages long and there are no flames or negative comments yet. My assumption still stands that if this statement had been posted right from the start (before launching the ad), all the irritation could have been avoided.

But better now than never.
I think this point is sufficiently clarified now.
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Well, ad itself is (as some have said before) very weak! Why should I consider buying a Radeon after watching that?
Oh well, but I like that type of ads way more then those pup-up windows, because you don''t have to click it away...
So if it helps you paying the bills, then continue using that ad-type beyond november!


Yesterday we still stood at the verge of the abyss,
today we''re a step onward!
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I would just like to say that the ad seems to have progressed from being an acceptable nuisance, to being extremely annoying.

Basically now it seems to crash IE every time I visit the forums, unless I can click on a topic fast enough to avoid loading it.

I appreciate that ads are needed to keep gamedev alive, but this is starting to take the piss.
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The ad is really annoying, but I lay the blame on ATI, not Gamedev. Gamedev needs the revenue, and it''s free.

Annoying as it is, I wouldn''t base my decision on what card to buy on an advert. (Although I prefer Nvidia anyway, as I''ve been doing some Nvidia specific OpenGL stuff recently, and want to continue doing that for a while.)


At the end of the day it''s still not annoying as spam anyways.
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Gamedev could do that "membership = no advertisements" thingy some sites do (not saying which ones though..*cough*)

If Gamedev gets the search feature working again, I would be willing give about $5/month or so. I don''t spend a lot of time here (VS an MMORPG), but I don''t have to because the information (and making moderators angry) is so good!
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I don''t like the add but it''s oke with me if i just saw it once.

I''m afraid that with the paid membership the new articles that come out are not free to view anymore.

I hope there will be two versions. One free with adds and one paid with no adds and that that''s the only difference.
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FFS people, if you don''t like the ad send an email to ATI
saying the ad bothers you and you just purchased an nvidia card.
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