combining inertial tensors.
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I was curious if its possible to combine two inertial tensors?
two arbitaries shaped objects have inertial tensors
Ia and Ib
I want to join these objects rigidly together, any thoughts on how I go about this, and how I combine the two matrices into one so that I get the correct tensors out...
...or do I have to abandon both matricies and do some over the voluems again?
Of course you can!
Inertial matrices are additive, and it come from their definition: its the integral on the volume of the object of r*r*dm (r being the distance beetween the point that wheighs dm and the point where we calculate I).
So, you can do I(G)=Ia(G)+Ib(G).
However, it is really impossible to do I(G)=Ia(Ga)+Ib(Gb), or you''ll have to get Ia(G) from Ia(G) with the Huygens formula.
Inertial matrices are additive, and it come from their definition: its the integral on the volume of the object of r*r*dm (r being the distance beetween the point that wheighs dm and the point where we calculate I).
So, you can do I(G)=Ia(G)+Ib(G).
However, it is really impossible to do I(G)=Ia(Ga)+Ib(Gb), or you''ll have to get Ia(G) from Ia(G) with the Huygens formula.
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Im not so sure...
...what if the combined object is an object which is displaced?
you know what i mean?
object B has an offset to object A. Two individual inertial tensors. I doubt adding them together will work.?
...what if the combined object is an object which is displaced?
you know what i mean?
object B has an offset to object A. Two individual inertial tensors. I doubt adding them together will work.?
Do you mean that A and B aren''t moving in the same direction, or at the same speed (ie that A+B can be deformed)?
Do you mean that A and B aren''t moving in the same direction, or at the same speed (ie that A+B can be deformed)?
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sort of like docking. in a fixed way.
the way i see it, the whole objects centre of mass changes and with that the inertial tensors.
the way i see it, the whole objects centre of mass changes and with that the inertial tensors.
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ooops double post
[edited by - kindfluffysteve on November 1, 2002 10:03:12 PM]
[edited by - kindfluffysteve on November 1, 2002 10:03:12 PM]
As I recall, if you have two inertial tensors about the centers of mass of their respective objects, call them Ia and Ib for object A and object B respectively, and you want a new inertial tensor for the combination of the two, spaced a distance of r units apart, about the center of mass of object A, this would be:
Ia + r^2 * Ib
It should be fairly easy to see how to extend this if you don''t want it to be about the center of mass of either of the two objects.
So, mikamikaze is right if you want both objects to be superimposed on top of each other such that their centers of mass coincide. The above is just a little more general.
Isn''t this right?
-Justin
Ia + r^2 * Ib
It should be fairly easy to see how to extend this if you don''t want it to be about the center of mass of either of the two objects.
So, mikamikaze is right if you want both objects to be superimposed on top of each other such that their centers of mass coincide. The above is just a little more general.
Isn''t this right?
-Justin
The general moment of inertia of a body about the origin is:
I = Ic + M(R^2 I - RR)
R is the vector displacement of the body''s centre of mass from the origin, so this formula can be used to give the moment of inertia of a body not centred at the origin.
Ic is the moment of inertia of the body about it''s centre of mass, which is what people usually understand by the moment of inertia.
M is the mass of the body
R^2 is R.R or |R| ^2, the square of the length. I is the identity matrix.
RR is a dyad. This is way of multiplying two vectors to generate a matrix, giving in this case the 3x3 matrix
RxRx RxRy RxRz
RxRy RyRy RyRz
RxRz RyRz RzRz
where R = {Rx, Ry, Rz}
If you are cacluating a new MOI for two joined bodies first work out the position of the centre of mass of the combined body. Then use the above formula twice, getting something like
I = Ia + Ma(Ra^2 I - RaRa) + Ib + Mb(Rb^2 I - RbRb)
Where Ra, Rb are the offsets of the two bodies from their combined centre of mass, Ma, Mb are their masses. If their centre of masses are at the same point then Ra and Rb are both zero vectors and the above formula becomes
I = Ia + Ib
as expected.
(for those interested this is from Goldstein''s Classical Mechanics, pages 197 & 198 - I knew the basic principles but had to look up the formula)
I = Ic + M(R^2 I - RR)
R is the vector displacement of the body''s centre of mass from the origin, so this formula can be used to give the moment of inertia of a body not centred at the origin.
Ic is the moment of inertia of the body about it''s centre of mass, which is what people usually understand by the moment of inertia.
M is the mass of the body
R^2 is R.R or |R| ^2, the square of the length. I is the identity matrix.
RR is a dyad. This is way of multiplying two vectors to generate a matrix, giving in this case the 3x3 matrix
RxRx RxRy RxRz
RxRy RyRy RyRz
RxRz RyRz RzRz
where R = {Rx, Ry, Rz}
If you are cacluating a new MOI for two joined bodies first work out the position of the centre of mass of the combined body. Then use the above formula twice, getting something like
I = Ia + Ma(Ra^2 I - RaRa) + Ib + Mb(Rb^2 I - RbRb)
Where Ra, Rb are the offsets of the two bodies from their combined centre of mass, Ma, Mb are their masses. If their centre of masses are at the same point then Ra and Rb are both zero vectors and the above formula becomes
I = Ia + Ib
as expected.
(for those interested this is from Goldstein''s Classical Mechanics, pages 197 & 198 - I knew the basic principles but had to look up the formula)
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