The Perfect Fighter.

vtwin · 2003-02-13T08:46:18

I''m so completely fed up with modern fighting games these days. Every single one feels like another Tekken, a game I''ve never liked from the start. Whatever it is about 3D fighting games..I don''t like it. It feels too awkward, too slow, too stale. I can really care less about 360 degree panning camera angles, bump-mapping, real-time lighting and all of those useless dynamics. DOA3, Tekken 4, Virtua Fighter 4..they all look exactly the same to me. The same rehashed characters over and over: the quiet, dark, quasi-evil asian, the enormously tall blonde musclehead, the stupid drunken-boxing style fighter.. I believe the greatest fighting game of all time was Street Fighter II or III. I can''t tell you the number of hours I put into those games in both the Arcades and in my home. Who cares if they''re graphically outdated and pixelated? There is still more depth, call for reflex, timing, and sheer fun than any 3D fighting game yet. 3D just can''t nail it right. Games are relying on complex skeletal animation systems to create more fluid motions in the characters and a multitude of other systems, yet they all seem to goto waste. Nothing can still beat the beauty of sprite animation, as you can see in the amazingly great arcade version of Marvel vs. Capcom 2 . Playing in a 3D fighter just feels so wrong. Moving around seems to be more of a process of tapping the D-pad in a certain direction to make the player bob in a certain direction cautiously. Moves are ridiculously slow. Jumping is practically never incorporated in 3D fighters, and certainly never taken advantage of for complex attacks... Basically, my dream fighting game would be yet another Street Fighter, with some damned good thought put behind the characters and fleshing out their storyline further (the story seemed to completely dissolve away). Since sprite animations would be no problem on newer consoles, the sprites and animations can now be fully anti-aliased and look damned gorgeous, overlayed on a 3D background. The controls would keep to the classic SF intuitive style. I wish developers would take a step back and reconsider what they''re doing to the fighting genre. TheLGN | consumer media with a passion - Senior Editor, Moderatorswift URL | browse my bookmarks [server may not always be on]SotteD | Info/download

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Started by vtwin January 31, 2003 11:11 PM

27 comments, last by vtwin 21 years, 2 months ago

rmsgrey

153

February 07, 2003 05:56 AM

+++++WARNING! PERSONAL OPINION!++++++++++
Do not read if easily offended by different opinions
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The only fighting game I''ve ever really got into was One Must Fall 2097 on the PC - while I admit I''ve tended to avoid the genre generally, I''ve never been sufficiently impressed by the few others I''ve played (several incarnations of Street Fighter and Tekken spring to mind) to want to play them again. Oh, and I tend to win about 60% of matches when I do play, so it''s not just sour grapes.

Noky

143

February 07, 2003 07:47 AM

I also must disagree. I love Tekken and the DoA series. the 3D dimensions adds for a little more depth. Are they coming from the left or the right? Should I sidestep reverse...etc... The only gripe I really have is the pace. Matchs seem not always slow but definatly stiff. It seems many 3D Translations have control issues where everything isn''t as fluid as Street Fighter is. If they can nail the fluidity then I think you''d re-think your conclusion about the whole genre.

TechnoHydra

122

February 07, 2003 12:55 PM

I must definitely agree with PSWind about a lack of fluidity in many 3D fighters although a lot of this may spring from lack of experience. Personally I found combos to normally be easier to do in 2Ds then 3Ds, again probably from lack of practice. I think it is an issue though.

Iron Chef Carnage

1,845

February 07, 2003 03:27 PM

I liked the system in Kengo II, if anyone''s familiar with it. It was all sword work, but had a fun combo-design feature that let you build a style for your little guy, and you could block, dodge or "parry", which was really a quick grapple and disengage, which gave the game a real paper/rock/scissors feel that I enjoyed, because your muscle memory worked against you if you had a savvy opponent. Fun stuff.

There was also a skill/XP system that was very good, but not altogether necessary to the game.

TechnoHydra

122

February 11, 2003 12:36 PM

Hey again, thread looks kinda dead but I had to post this. Over the weekend I played Soul Caliber 2 at the arcade, and let me tell you. That was one of the best fighters I''ve ever played. Just so you know it''s fully 3D. Camera does not get in the way, it is more fluid then any 2D or 3D fighter I''ve played before. Plus it''s not that hard to learn. Combos are also relatively easy to find once you understand what the buttons do. Sidestepping is also integrated in such a way that it doesn''t mess with your head. I encourage everyone whos posted an opinion in this thread to try it and give their feedback on it in relation to the topic.

epsilon42

122

February 12, 2003 11:58 AM

I agree that 2D fighters are better than the 3D ones gameplay wise. 3D fighters seem really slow paced to me. On someones comment about side stepping, i''ve seen this implemented in one of the Fatal Fury games where you had the option of dodging a punch or something by moving in the distance up the screen a bit. I like the backdrops in 2D games, they add to the atmosphere (like heaps of people standing around watching). Lots of 3D fighters you only see lots of grass in the distance. I think also 3D fighters don''t have as many super powers and are more concerned with punches and kicks rather than fire balls or electricution (Blanka) or people who dance funny who are called Duck King.

I dunno, I think it''s just a personal preference thing with this topic.

Anyway here are my favourite fighters of all time :D (i forget which one in the particular series that i''ve played):

Fatal Fury
X-Men vs. Streetfighter
Sango Fighter

Vlion

151

February 12, 2003 02:03 PM

hmm...I used to play Tekken 3 pretty regulary.
I played Tekken 4 last year and quite frankly, it was about the exact same thing, but better gfx.

Soul Calibur (1?2?)is pretty fun, you get more accessible moves. It feels alright to me.

Frankly I would like a fighter game with similar smoothness to UT does for FPS games.

So.

*shrug*

Bugle4d

~V'lionBugle4d

sleekgeekfreak

122

February 12, 2003 02:28 PM

i like 2D fighters better.

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!

fortian

122

February 13, 2003 08:46 AM

I like 3D a lot than 2D fighting ...
My Favorite are Virtua Fighter series...

3D fighting are mostly difficult to master. And the movement is far more variative than those in 2D. But, it''s all about preferation... Both type, IMHO, are not options to compare ...

~ Rio Fortian ~

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