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Ok, the demo''s were awsome. Well, at least when I ran them on my Radeon 9700 system. But when I ran them on my work computer, which is a P4 2GHZ running a TNT2 64 (hey it''s to code on, not play demos ). Anyways, the demo''s, if they ran at all, were choppy to the point I couldnt stand it. Now, I know that no one in their right mind runs a TNT2 anymore except for me on my work station, but my point is that most people dont stop to think that just because they have $900 video card, that everyone else may not have the same thing. Some will have better and some will have less. I think that on this site, the idea is everyone will have a nice video card and that may be correct, but what about when you want to release your demo or your game to the public? Just Something to keep in mind. Not everyone that wants to see your work will have a kick ass system to run it on. That''s my 2 cents. BTW: The demo''s were very well done. IT Administrator / Software Engineere http://drdsoftware.cjb.net

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You can pick up a GeForce 3 for like $75 if you shop around. Or a GeForce 2 for about $45. There''s plenty of room for upgrading between a TNT2 and a 9700.

Anyway, for games most companies try to keep the requirements as low as possible because they dont want to lose sales by limiting their market..but for demos, who cares? Code for the best hardware if you want when it comes to demos.

And keep in mind that if you want to look at eyecandy like bumpmapping, real time shadows, etc, its going to be slow on a TNT2, period. The card just doesn''t have the horsepower to do that fast, no matter how well the program is written...

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Original post by titan2782
Now, I know that no one in their right mind runs a TNT2 anymore



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I'm no more obligated to code for an old system than I am for a new system. You want to see my work? That's too bad for you. Obviously it's not targetted at you if you don't have the system for it.
People make decisions about these things. If it's a hard to run demo, it's not meant for old systems. That's it.

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[edited by - LockePick on February 7, 2003 2:04:39 PM]

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quote:
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People make decisions about these things.

I find that hard to believe sometimes.
More like: how to conceal lack of creativity by using advanced hardware options.

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And this:
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You want to see my work? That''s too bad for you.

is also reverse thinking.
Well if you like to jerk off on your own stuff, maybe it''s true.
(I wonder if you dare say that in a job interview).

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Did my demo really run that bad Im sorry i didnt code properly, im sorry i ruined your day, im sorry i was born, im sorry the world trade centers blew up, im sorry that there is world hunger, im sorry about global warming, im sorry that the earth is round, im sorry there is no air in space. Im sorry for a lot of things. How did i mess up that bad? Do you know where i can find a tall bridge...preferabely with no water below it? Im sorry i cant even find a good bridge to commit suicide.

I programmed the fish demo (Pescao Loco)...it probably ran slow because i suck at programming and my life sucks...but it should have run...i used no card specific functions.

P.S. Im sorry i used so many ... things

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More like: how to conceal lack of creativity by using advanced hardware options.

... which is a decision to forfeit creativity for advanced hardware options. A lack of creativity != stupid.

quote:
Well if you like to jerk off on your own stuff, maybe it''s true.
(I wonder if you dare say that in a job interview).

Oh wow. I never realized I was here for a job interview. Do you have secret cameras or something? This is great! I didn''t even have to dress up!
[/fantasy land]
It''s a demo. Cry me a river. And while you''re at it, try putting your name on your posts too.

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AP : Back off! Most demos were created in a rush so there are bugs, there is stuff thet doesn''t work. so what? enjoy what it does! As for extension. It''s a demo contest. You don''t expect everyone to be writing multiple paths for diferent extension over all platforms do you? And get a freeking account. posting as an AP...

You should never let your fears become the boundaries of your dreams.

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im sorry there is no air in space.
There''s an Air ''n'' Space Museum!

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You don''t expect everyone to be writing multiple paths for diferent extension over all platforms do you?

But you _did_ write an ARB path for extensions where you used NV paths before. So it is possible (Well, rare are the ppl who are as good as Mirko The Great but oh well )

At NeHe Productions I''ve always heard that NeHe himself didn''t want to teach tutorials with vendor-specific extensions. Even though I agree it''s a bit hard to take that in account for a "rushed" demo, it''s still a good thing to keep it in mind. I''m sure ppl visiting the site/board think the demos written here look like how programs are written in professional companies. I don''t say that demos *must* be written vendor-indenpendant because of newbie visitors, I just say that titan2782 made a nice remark. As he says himself, that''s "Just Something to keep in mind".

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Wow, alot of replies. My intention was to point out that defining a lowest common denominator should be a priority. I''m not putting anyone down. I know the limites of this TNT2 card. I know the limits of my 9700 card.

No need to get mad. BTW: I never saw the fish tank demo.

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titan2782 : I''m sorry for my a bit harsh comments but they were ment for AP... I had a bad day...

You should never let your fears become the boundaries of your dreams.

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no problem. Having a bad day today myself

Dustin Davis
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Programmers Unlimited
www.Programmers-Unlimited.com

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I''ve seen about 50% of the demos and they were great. Some were ok, some were almost excellent (still leaving room for development there ). I was wondering about the musical part, though - everyone seems to be using some mod format for music playback. Where did everyone get this music - do people massively use trackers and stuff or do they know people who are willing to lend them their masterpieces?

PS - not having seen all of the demos I can''t be 100% objective, but so far my vote for the best demo goes to Mirko. Those fractals look simply amazing and so does the credits scene where the two cyan banners at the top and the bottom of the screen (motion) blur the object. Just to keep your ego on the ground () - there''s still miles to go before being a match to the .product .

Crispy

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the .product was a great demo (if it''s the same one ur talking about) I beleive it was a 64k demo.

Dustin Davis
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Programmers Unlimited
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.the .product is beyond my realm of understainding. Anyhow - I bet most people don''t know yet another 64kB demo was released by the same team in 2002 that IMO totally blows .the .product away. Run poemtoahorse and you''ll find yourself looking down on yourself from a very high-flying cloud. My mighty project is getting off the ground slowly (though it poses nothing as complex as this) and it''s @ 5 megs now (including resources). Too bad it takes at least a 1GHz CPU and a decent GPU (poemtoahorse lagged slightly on my TNT2) to run these things - otherwise playing palm games would hould so much pleasure.

PS - if you open the link and you discover that you have seen neither of the two - download and run the left one first!

Crispy

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I ran the demo's on a TNT2 64 and they all ran fine!
There was only one demo which came up with messages at the beginning stating my gfx card didn't support all the effects used.

Oh and there was one which didn't work at all, can't remember which.


[edited by - Turnip Monster on February 9, 2003 5:11:08 PM]

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I too ran one on my 9700 card that gave me alot of messages. If my 9700 card doesnt support all that then what does? LOL!

Dustin Davis
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Programmers Unlimited
www.Programmers-Unlimited.com

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