I didn''t have any problems installing Anjuta 1.0 on my Mandrake 9.0 distro at all. However, while it worked with RPM package, it didn''t install from the tarball (and I can''t recall anymore what the missing dependencies were).

-vic-
Basically all distro''s suffer from dependency hell except for two...Debian and Gentoo. Debian uses a package system called DEB and uses a system called apt-get to help retrieve and install and dependencies. Gentoo borrowed a concept from BSD called Ports and it''s packaging system is called Portage. Essentially the "packages" are source, but Portage uses "ebuild" scripts which not only install the package for you, but also gets all dependencies for you and will also install extra features for you (sort of like having some built in ./configure --options pre-scripted for you).

I do have a question about Mesa/OpenGL/Glut....since my video card is a Radeon 8500, and Xfree 4.2.0 does not have 3d support for this card, when I finally upgrade to 4.3.0 which does have 3d support via DRI, how do I get Mesa up and running with it? I figure I have to set up the Mesa libraries so that DRI can use it, but how do I that...just set up some symbolic links and run ldconfig?

Maybe this is heresy, but I just can''t get used to either vi or emacs. Cooledit seems okay as does jed, but really, I haven''t found any pure linux text editors that I like.

Which is why it''s all the more embarrassing that the editor I''ve gotten most comfy with so far is jEdit. Don''t ask me why. I guess I got used to it after trying to find a simple editor with a few nifty plugins. It''s not really that powerful, though it does have some useful macros, search functions, and decent bookmarking capabilities. The biggest disadvantage though is that it''s a memory hog (what java app isn''t?). And speed-wise, sometimes it does choke when you ask it to do certain things.

But it''s pretty, it has most of the features I like and even has built in Python shell, and several Java utilities. I also use it for XML/XSLT work, since it has a XML tree plugin and an XSLT tool as well. I know emacs is powerful as hell, and vi is a speed demon, but somehow I just can''t bring myself to work in them.

As for IDE''s, I prefer Anjuta, though Kdevelop isn''t bad either.

quote:Original post by -vic-

I''ve never used Mandrake, but ppl says it''s good, and i''m curious about one thine: does it suffers from dependency hell too (like RedHat does)?

Victor.

All distros, except the Gentoo, Debian, Mandrake, RedHat 7.3 and up, and FreeBSD, suffer from dependency hell as you refer to it but it''s not that complicated to resolve. As for Mandrake, most of the dependencies are resolved if you use "urpmi" which is also part of Redhat as of 7.3 and up( at least, those are the ones where I''ve found and used it before ).



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quote:Original post by ZYirAH
Null and Void-- Thanks, that helps clear it up. So basically I just need to make sure the GLUT packages get installed while installing Linux right? I''m interested in messing around with hardware accelerated OpenGL. I''ve read something about dependencies on X11 for this? Is that just another package that I should make sure gets installed with Linux? Thanks, as you can tell I''m pretty new to this. I''m taking this one step at a time. I just want to get my environment set up to the point where I can compile some OpenGL sample code under Linux then I can start working from there.

BradDaBug-- Thanks for the clarification on Anjuta. Will I be ''missing out on anything'' by using the 7.x RPMs without Glibc 2.3 ?

The best way to start is by learning how linux works, then you can get around to learning how to setup Mega/GLUT using an IDE or just plain old VI for that matter. For that, you can do a search in your favorite search engine for HOWTO, this should bring you to a great deal of Linux HowTos which explain in pretty good details how to get things done.


As far as Glibc 2.3 goes, you''ll be sure to have a glibc, might not be 2.3 but you''ll have one as it is a required lib when using GCC.

I really recommend that you get a good book on Linux Programming to help get you started. Also maybe a book for Linux newbies to help out, if you get stuck. Not that linux is really complicated but just to help you understand the system a bit.



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quote:Original post by BradDaBug
And Mandrake suffers from the same dependency hell that Red Hat does, since they both use the RPM system for managing packages. Not that Dependency Hell is something you''re constantly in, only when you need to install anything.

True but false. As of Mandrake 7.x and Red Hat 7.1( and up ), URPMI is installed and usually works for solving dependencies. Although, the one in Mandrake versions 7.x was a bit of an *ss, it has been solved in later versions.

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quote:Original post by Staffan
Go the hardcore way Slackware. Use ed for writing code, hehe

Seriously though, Slackware is the distro that suits me best. Try it on. It comes with less crap, no RPM-shit, better (IMO) organized init scripts, etc.

And on top of that I just use some text-editor (be it jed, emacs or vi) and make or the automake/autoconf/etc-suit.

Besides, installing programs from source tarballs seems easier than fiddling with those rpms... just untar it, ./configure it, make and make install (... or you just have to try to decipher the INSTALL/README file and pass ten different cryptic flags to ./configure). Uninstalling programs are, well, sometimes worse.

FYI, the hardcore way as you call it, is dead. Slackware is much more easier to use than when I first got it. ( around version 1.x or something like that ). Oh and for your information, it has just as much crap as all other distros you just get a better util to select which you want installed and which you don''t want. And RPM can also be installed on Slack also.

As for packages, RPMS are way easier to use, even if sometimes they are a pain. rpm -ivh blah.rpm to install and that''s it( no messing around with configure scripts or having to compile ). Although, I personally prefer tarballs myself, most users will prefer rpms. As for Slackware, it''s not the only one. If you want a distro that''s even better organised than that, get SoL. Every config( for most services and some apps) file is XML based.

Now, concerning what you use to code, I believe, the question was about IDEs, not editors and not about make or autoconf and that suite.

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quote:Original post by Staffan
Go the hardcore way Slackware. Use ed for writing code, hehe

Seriously though, Slackware is the distro that suits me best. Try it on. It comes with less crap, no RPM-shit, better (IMO) organized init scripts, etc.

And on top of that I just use some text-editor (be it jed, emacs or vi) and make or the automake/autoconf/etc-suit.

Besides, installing programs from source tarballs seems easier than fiddling with those rpms... just untar it, ./configure it, make and make install (... or you just have to try to decipher the INSTALL/README file and pass ten different cryptic flags to ./configure). Uninstalling programs are, well, sometimes worse.

FYI, the hardcore way as you call it, is dead. Slackware is much more easier to use than when I first got it. ( around version 1.x or something like that ). Oh and for your information, it has just as much crap as all other distros you just get a better util to select which you want installed and which you don''t want. And RPM can also be installed on Slack also.

As for packages, RPMS are way easier to use, even if sometimes they are a pain. rpm -ivh blah.rpm to install and that''s it( no messing around with configure scripts or having to compile ). Although, I personally prefer tarballs myself, most users will prefer rpms. As for Slackware, it''s not the only one. If you want a distro that''s even better organised than that, get SoL. Every config( for most services and some apps) file is XML based.

Now, concerning what you use to code, I believe, the question was about IDEs, not editors and not about make or autoconf and that suite.

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