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The servers are so SLOW! I want more mirrors! I''m getting CD 1 and 3 at .2 Kps! Ooooohhh.... its so sloooooooooow... i want it now! AH! now its 24 byes per second! At this rate it will take approximatly 1 year to download Mandrake 9.1.

OOooooo... Glib 2.3..... Gnome 2.2... Galaxy theme... Mozilla 1.3....

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You can always try Slackware 9.0 which has the same stuff...though CmndrM seems to not have thought much of it.

I may still install it just to see what it''s like though. I''m not terribly put off by a small initial distro since I can always download stuff later.

You can also try out the rc version of Yoper which is kind of interesting. Man I wish Gentoo 1.4 final will come out soon...

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I left my computer on overnight downloading with GetRight (is there anything in Linux that can do as much as GetRight? Mainly splitting up a download and downloading each segment from different servers? And of course resuming?) and I've got CD 2, 90% of CD 3, and 1% of CD 1. Wait, now its 2%!

Last night after i posted my little rant/tantrum thingy, the speed jumped up to around 90 Kps for each CD! I mean, suddenly! One second it was .2 Kps, the next 90 Kps! Perhaps my brother was on Kazaa or something.

I hope I have some blank CDs around here somewhere.

EDIT: WOAH! did anyone else see that?! That was the mother of all double posts! I clicked the submit button, a few seconds later Mozilla said "the document contains no data." i waited a minute or two then clicked it again. What do I see when the page loads? 10 posts all identical!

[edited by - BradDaBug on March 26, 2003 10:05:05 AM]

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You can always try Slackware 9.0 which has the same stuff...though CmndrM seems to not have thought much of it.

No, there is where the problem lies. Slack 9 doesn''t include a ton of stuff that it used to. For example, Eterm, Evas, and other E-components. Not to mention countless libs. It''s basically impossible to compile anything dependent on pre-2 GTK.

Patrick Volkerding is also an idiot, in my opinion, because he thinks he knows what''s best in all circumstances, and made all of these decisions himself. I tried emailing him once months back with suggestions, and he basically told me that all my ideas sucked and that they would be very bad. Keep in mind my suggestions were very minor ones to the Slackpack format. But anyway, I digress...

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Been running Mandrake 9.1 for about an hour now, and it is fantastic so far Sets up fantasically, and the Galaxy look is brilliant. Well done Mandrake Soft, you might even have tempted me to join Mandrake Club!!!

Stuart

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RedHat 8.0 was probably the first good step forward for Linux desktops IMHO. They settled on an interface called BlueCurve that diverges from KDE and GNOME. It drove most Linux advocates into a frenzy, but if Linux wants to get into the Enterprise or Desktop markets with better consistency, they need a common UI as well as a common System Management set of GUI tools.

I found RH 8.0 to be pretty good, though a bit buggy with some configuration scripts (DNS Dynamic Updates required setting DHCPCD client params manually for example).

RH decided to jump to RH 9.0 later this month. Strange move, so it'll be interesting to see how it's received by the community. Though for many companies, it's one of the first choices. (Suse, Mandrake and then Debian in that order from my experiences with customers using Linux).

All in all, I found RH 8.0 to be a good step forward. The UI was more consistent than any so far for Linux, though still wasn't what I would call "ideal". If they keep grouping user tasks into well formed menu items, keep creating systems for maintaing the system (fonts, etc) it'll take hold.

As for development tools, during the install add the development items (do custom when picking packages).

Interim.

[edited by - Interim on March 26, 2003 2:14:06 PM]

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What, TrueType fonts? Take a look at the docs on XFree86.org, and also look into the ttmkfdir tool (which comes with many distros).

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Im running mandrake 9.1 right now.. really nice

btw I made a network install from http://klid.dk/sw/mandrake/9.1/

a very fast mirror.. but not ftp

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They''re not TTF, i don''t think. Basically the old fonts wern''t smoothed (smoothed is ok and all, but it seems like it makes them blurry and slows stuff down). Now when I turn off smoothing the fonts look AWEFUL! Unsmoothed fonts in Mandrake 9.0 looked fine, just not smooth. Now smoothing is pretty much REQUIRED!

And it still won''t setup a printer hooked to a Windows machine on my network.

Usually I just reformat my linux partition and do a clean install when I upgrade. This time I just did an update. Clean installs seem to work better. I may try that later.

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Original post by BradDaBug
Remember, don''t be stupid! Don''t boycott France! Download Mandrake Linux today!


I''m not boycotting France, I''m bycotting corporations that are trying to make a profit out of something that is supposed to be free... Hence my move back to my roots: Slackware, Debian, SoL and Gentoo. And the worst thing is, I *used* to be a huge Mandrake fan.



[Cyberdrek | the last true sorcerer | Spirit Mage - mutedfaith.com][ Administrator TheLinuxForum.tk]

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quote:
Original post by WildWest
What do you think about RedHat8.0?
Are there a lot of developing tools included?



The Wild Wild West - Desperado!


All the same dev tools that were in earlier versions are still there. Except for Anjuta which was never part of RH. Mandrake on the other hand has it on the CD. It''s usually not installed by default but is easy to install using URPMI.




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Cyberdrek: Mandrake Soft aren''t forcing anyone to pay for Mandrake Linux. Besides, there is nothing stopping them from trying to make a profit from linux. They provide an excellent distribution, and put a lot of hardwork producing excellent tools like DrakConf, and are more than welcome! And they cannot continue their hard work without people buying their products so that they can afford living costs.

Would you boycot supermarkets because they make profit on food?

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If food manufacturers went out and said:

"It is my fervant hope that this food remains free for use and consumption", and then a supermarket started charging for it, then yes, I would consider boycotting that market.

Kay?

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Companies are adding value to existing free products for which they want to be compensated. Nothing wrong with that, imo. For linux to be better we need quality and easy to use apps. We need more competitors who would fight over demand we created and get compensated in return.

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The GPL doesn''t state that it cannot be resold, if they truely wanted it to remain fully free they would use a different license. Besides, most distributions, mandrake included, can be used for free if you so choose.

If the GPL were applied to food, your quote would say:

"It is my fervant hope that this food remains free for use and consumption but you can charge for it if you package it nicely or change it a little"

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The GPL doesn''t state that it cannot be resold, if they truely wanted it to remain fully free they would use a different license. Besides, most distributions, mandrake included, can be used for free if you so choose.

If the GPL were applied to food, your quote would say:

"It is my fervant hope that this food remains free for use and consumption but you can charge for it if you package it nicely or change it a little"

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The GPL did not say anything about it, correct.

However Linus had made it clear many times that he wanted nothing more than for Linux to be a learning tool. That is why he originally tried to get it put into Minix''s codebase. Stallman has said repeatedly that he does not think a company should sell the FSF tools, but rather offer support and programmers for those tools. Things like that suggest to me that the original intent behind these things was for free use to offer academic insight into how things work.

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Another Anonymous Poster wrote: "However Linus had made it clear many times that he wanted nothing more than for Linux to be a learning tool...Things like that suggest to me that the original intent behind these things was for free use to offer academic insight into how things work. "

The original intent of the internet was for academic/government purposes only. Sometimes things evolve.

Get off the internet if you can''t deal.

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However Linus had made it clear many times that he wanted nothing more than for Linux to be a learning tool. That is why he originally tried to get it put into Minix's codebase. Stallman has said repeatedly that he does not think a company should sell the FSF tools, but rather offer support and programmers for those tools. Things like that suggest to me that the original intent behind these things was for free use to offer academic insight into how things work.


Yeah, but for an example, George Washington was against a partisan government. The creators hopes for his product usually are not fully realized, in the case of a product which many people contribute to. Not saying GW created our government, you get the idea.

[edited by - Ronin Magus on April 1, 2003 4:39:46 PM]

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