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I got to where I am now, in my beliefs and faith, by combining parts of Buddhism and parts of Chrisianity. I can''t really explain it, it''s more of a personal thing. And don''t take the whole ''energy'' thing literally. Just replace it with ''soul'' or ''spirit''. And you should want to end your unknown suffering because you''ve never experienced anything else. Feeling the relief is so great; upon achieving even part of it, you realize how bad you''ve had it. I don''t believe that we ''cease to be'' literally. I believe that we become one with all the other. Hell is when we get remanifested as something else, and live a bad life. You must then rise above your horrible existance, and live for others. That is salvation. Some of us, up until being born, were never manifested before. We were lying in wait, for a good time to come. Not literally, but we just hadn''t came to be yet. There''s no way to know which way you are (in ''Hell'' or a ''newborn'' <----Dumb name), do I don''t get too hung up on it.
Back to the one whole thing, I believe that we will all exist within the whole, but also contribute to the existance of ''God'' and goodness, etc. I guess a good way to put it would be to say we become a sort of ''angel''. We become part of God, but exist separately also.

Now if I only could get rid of my addiction to pornography, I would be set. It''s causing some VERY adverse things in my life to happen, and I know it''s not right. I know I don''t need it, but I can''t stop, regardless. Any suggestions, serious ones, please?

[edited by - fadilthrejk on March 19, 2002 at 4:53 AM]

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Regarding that 7 creation days. I read a book and the author had a great explanation of this. It doesn''t really matter how long one day is, 24 hours or 24 million years. The question is..why did it take 7 days? If God really is powerful, creating a universe shouldn''t take 7 days. Even 1 nanosecond still not enough to describe the Almighty-ness of God. If God really is powerful, The Almighty, he created this world...instantly! puff! just like that, not even time can measure how long it took. 7 creation days is pure symbolic, not something that we should take literally. "7 days, on the seventh day we should rest. God created this universe in 24x7 hours" that''s dumb.
This was already answered before. Just because God could have done it instantly doesn''t mean he had to. Perhaps he wanted to take the time to enjoy his creation. Do you always rush through things to get them done? Probably not, so why should God?

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is this the longest thread on the forum?

and why would you want to avoid Church?
if you don''t want to go then don''t go.
it''s not [u]required[/u] of you to go.

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I got to where I am now, in my beliefs and faith, by combining parts of Buddhism and parts of Chrisianity.
In other words, you''re totally confused.
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And you should want to end your unknown suffering because you''ve never experienced anything else. Feeling the relief is so great; upon achieving even part of it, you realize how bad you''ve had it.

This sounds like a case of convincing yourself that you''re getting better, another typical New Age concept. If I think it, it must be so.
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I don''t believe that we ''cease to be'' literally. I believe that we become one with all the other. Hell is when we get remanifested as something else, and live a bad life.
Umm, how would you know it''s a bad life? Since you''ve said that you don''t know you''re suffering, what is "bad"? Am I living a "bad" life now? How do I know? You''re not making much sense.
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You must then rise above your horrible existance, and live for others. That is salvation. Some of us, up until being born, were never manifested before. We were lying in wait, for a good time to come. Not literally, but we just hadn''t came to be yet. There''s no way to know which way you are (in ''Hell'' or a ''newborn'' <----Dumb name), do I don''t get too hung up on it.
Again, if I don''t know if I''m in "Hell" and I don''t know I''m suffering, what difference does it make?
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Back to the one whole thing, I believe that we will all exist within the whole, but also contribute to the existance of ''God'' and goodness, etc. I guess a good way to put it would be to say we become a sort of ''angel''. We become part of God, but exist separately also.
I don''t even know where to begin with this!
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Now if I only could get rid of my addiction to pornography, I would be set. It''s causing some VERY adverse things in my life to happen, and I know it''s not right. I know I don''t need it, but I can''t stop, regardless. Any suggestions, serious ones, please?
How do you know that it''s porn that causing it? Again, you seem to be contradicting yourself. You say it''s causing adverse things, but if you don''t know you''re suffering, how do you know it''s adverse? I''m confused!

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is this the longest thread on the forum?
Yup.
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and why would you want to avoid Church?
if you don''t want to go then don''t go.
it''s not [u]required[/u] of you to go.
I believe the original poster of this question was forced by parents to go and was looking for an excuse not to have to go. His parents don''t realize that you don''t have to go to church. More than likely they''re in a denomination that teaches that you have to attend church. Sad.

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If you are really confused, and not being sarcastic, then I am sorry. I forgot to say about the suffering that we see. We can see most suffering, but not all suffering.

I said it''s kind of personal. I am not confused, I just don''t know how to explain it. How am I convincing myself? I have noticed a change. i felt the weight lifted from my chest. It''s not really new age, because I am both Buddhist and Christian. They do not clash. Like I said, compared to Heaven and perfection, things are going to be BAD. You can only know by recognizing the badness before you try to end your suffering. The proof will come once you are on the way to an end to your suffering. You will jusk KNOW.
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Not all suffering is unseen, either. (I should have said this before...sorry)
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YOU CANNOT SEE THE AMOUNT OF INVISIBLE SUFFERING YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN UNTIL IT IS OVER. You may be enjoying this life, even if it is your hell. But it will not last. And every physical indulgence heightens your chances of getting it worse next time. The best way to get out is to assume you are in, and only live for other people because of a genuine desire to end their suffering. Do not do it just so you don''t go to hell, do it for others, regardless of where you go. You can enjoy this, but wouldn''t you like to have it better off? Would you choose a steak-umm or a steak? Both are good (in my opinion), but the steak is better. The steak-umm is your life now, and the steak is after the end to your suffering. I assumed that I was suffering, but am on my way to end that. And not all suffering is unseen. I know that it causes me suffering, because I see it. But it will also affect me in the long run, because it is physical indulgence. Sorry for any sincere confusion this caused.

[edited by - fadilthrejk on March 19, 2002 at 4:53 AM]

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I disagree with you, Machaira, about fadil being New Age. While I''m not familiar with what exactly the New Age viewpoint is, I am familiar with the basic tenets of Buddhism and his talk about suffering/enlightenment does sound very Buddhist.

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I know what I want to say, it''s just hard to put it into words. I think that one should find one''s own belief, and do it on one''s own. I am just expressing mine, because it has some universal things like compassion and unconditional love for all creation.

[edited by - fadilthrejk on March 19, 2002 at 4:53 AM]

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this gave an explanation. I''m pretty sure we''re not going to uncover a conspiracy theory among the scientists in this thread.
Well, that''s pretty good. I thought I already knew a counterpoint to that but I forget it; I''ll have to look into that
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I don''t understand how you can be so skeptical about this kind of stuff and yet not skeptical whatsoever about your "conclusive" evidence for Jesus rising from the dead.
a) Show me where I said the evidence for Jesus was "conclusive" and b) I''d say it now anyway since I still see far more evidence for Jesus that this. I still find it very silly that anyone can claim they kow the exact conditions something was under for billions of years, which you''de have to for these methods to really be valid.

And apparently you guys aren''t familiar with the detail the Bible goes into with lines of ancestory, and how it lists the age a man was when he fathered so-and-so. Family and genealogy were very important to the Hebrews. Simple addition will get you about 6000 years.

fadilthrejk: I don''t want to find my own religion any more than I want to find my own instructions for handling dynamite. In both cases, if I''m wrong, I''m gonna be sorry.

Chris Barry (crbarry at mts.net)
My Personal Programming Depot

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It''s not really new age, because I am both Buddhist and Christian. They do not clash.
Actually, I would say you are neither Buddist nor Christian. And they don''t clash because you rewrote them not to.

As for your porn addiction, I have a serious suggestion rooted in Jesus. As for a serious question first; do you believe he died and rose again to pay the price for your sins?

Chris Barry (crbarry at mts.net)
My Personal Programming Depot

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