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This may say a little the same as kingpinzs idea, but i had this for a long time. What if we were to recreate the internet: 1) For IE type browsing... Internet 2! - no porn -no warez -nothing illegal -just information sites -companies -everything useful -nothing stoopid There''d be a huge demand for it, and server admins could keep tabs on what sites had what on them (or allowed) This has so much potential, but can''t do it alone! We could also eliminate the need for crappy long adresses! 2) For advanced (or for fun) A 3D engine environment, where one starts in a virtual city where you can actually buy stuff (like on a website). You could also go to a gaming building, and play against others whom are also online. You can see everyone who''s online (with an optional invisibiliy) and talk to them, like the real world. You would also have your own allocated space where you could build your own house, building or whatever fit into it. People were saying how it would need infinite space, but think for a moment. What if all textures almost ever needed would be installed on your HD, and then when something is built, the server then holds a file with X,Y,Z coords of a polygon/object, and the textures required. This would eliminate the need for large amounts of space, and has a fast load time over the net. When building, you could make your own stuff (seperate object builder), or use prefabricated objects. This in turn would make the very small script for it, and everytime it was updated, a copy would be sent to the server (if YOU werent always online). Again, I''d need more people with me to start these ideas, so if you like em, join me. If you steal them, I will hunt you down and feed you your own colon. Please comment, and/or email me! Thank you, Ron Swaine ps >----)> The 3d internet could be done without "Internet 2".

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I think that is an asome idea. I was thinking the same thing but if you do that then they would start regulating everything elsa and you dont want that.

Just my thoughts thogh

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Ya, I''ve heard of that starting up, buts gonna be based on a wildtangent type system, and you''ll have to wait ages for things to load, cause !everything! is held on the server.

EW!

ROn

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"- no porn -no warez -nothing illegal
-just information sites -companies
-everything useful -nothing stoopid"

You want to call it Internet 2 but you want it to be nothing like the internet?????

Isn''t "internet 2" already a work in progress by someone anyway?

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Ya it is. I was just using that as a reference, so when I say it again, you know what I mean.

Internet 2 is out, its out as http2:// and hosts few companies.
Mostly for people who cant afford a domain, and want a nice redirect.

My version will be called....


...


InfoMatrix....hahaha kidding


Prolly something cool though.

Ron

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Overkill my friend?

If you start small you''ll never get anywhere. People would leave before I could get anywhere with everything.

It needs to be WOW and all finished before it comes out. Implementing the engine and all after its released would just be annoyingly...annoying.

Ron

ps. ps2? cool

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- no porn -no warez -nothing illegal
-just information sites -companies
-everything useful -nothing stoopid



1st. Who decides what is illegal? From now on, internet2 requires all women to wear vails, like in Iran.

companies and information sites?

And everything is useful? Like my blogg? and my thesis, quaternion nurbs, pocket machining and Voxels? OF course, I don''t know if its useful, or really stoopid. Only a full impletation will I know.

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Stupid idea. 3D browsing?? It''s easier and faster to scroll a page and click a 2D image on a webpage than trying to find something in the 3D world. 3D internet stuff has been done. There are several 3D bowsers out there already. Plus, your idea has absolutely no advantage over current internet.

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Agreed. Why bother? Internet is what it''s supposed to be. A thing full of completly random carp, and some useful bits in it. It''s a free for all, the best thing since bread and butter. If you don''t like porn or illegal stuff, just look away. If you want more control over the content of websites all over the world, it just defeats the principle. There are also internet rings, which does just that, bind a list of relevant websites together. There is already some kind of internet police, doing their best to track all those dodgy abusive sites (child pornography, racist abuses).

That 3D internet browser thing was big a decade ago, lots of useless university research, 3d virtual tours, ect... I''ve got a friend who works on a peer-to-peer 3D browser (a massive project, but well on its way), where internet shopping malls and users homepages are setup in streets. It will be all free, you just have to apply for a shop space to the administrators (litteraly). I''m not sure if it will catch up, but it would be nice to see how it goes.

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First of all, I am not trying to eliminate the the first internet. I am only trying to make an alternative, so parents of young children can ssafely leave their child on the internet, and not have to worry about where they go.

The 3D world shopping, I agree, would be wasting some time, cause it''d would be easier to surf shopping sites 2d. What if they were embedded then? When you "enter" a store a new window takes over and your on their 2d site. That might be a way to do it. Also there would be an index so if you want a certain company, you could just dbl click on it in the index, and youd jump to its district coordinates.

And do you (Oliii) have any info on the 3D browser your friend is working on? Like a site? or an email? I''d like to talk with him/them about marketing side of it.


Thx Ron Swaine

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making an internet that is "safe" for kids is pretty much a stupid idea there are already filters for web browsers that can deny access to sites with inapropriate content, what are you gonna do cut and paste the old internet then filter out the bad stuff? thats just plain stupid and will eat up too much space just make a filter for whatever web browser you are using put a password on it and your children will be "safe". as for 3d internet, making a complete internet that is based on 3d isnt impossible not with todays hardware but im pretty sure that it wouldnt be all that popular because of bandwidth limitations, try downloading a q3 map with a 56k modem... of course it wouldnt have to be that advanced but if it isnt why bother? you can probably make a regular plain 2d site that is a LOT better looking than a crappy 3d world with flat shading and such. 3d internet might come one day but as of now the closest you can get to it is probably something like everquest. of course this is my opinion and you are entitled to have your own but my advice would be dont bother.

- Damage Inc.

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I''m cool with that, but you most of that is already there. But i would be a fan to an Extent. For the no Warez thing, I am not in favor. I know its Illegal, but I personally like to Try a full Version Product before I go out and spend $100+ on it and then find out i dont like it and only be able to get like an 80% refund or Store Credit if i am Lucky. I accually do go out and buy stuff that i try out and like, unlike all the other people out there. But everything you mentioned about no pron and what not can all be done with an annoying thing called a Parental whatever ya call it that asks for a password every 5 seconds. Gets so annoying you dont want to look at anything. It sounds like you just dont want to be interfered with stupid Pop - ups and all that crap IMHO.


NeFrUgLe

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quote:
Original post by Godd

- no porn -no warez -nothing illegal
-just information sites -companies
-everything useful -nothing stoopid



Whoaa! I'm on it!


[edited by - Android_s on May 3, 2003 9:24:16 AM]

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quote:
Original post by Godd
-everything useful -nothing stoopid



Who decides what''s stupid? My fiance is into scrapbooking, I think thats stupid but it makes her happy. What may be stupid for 1 person may not be stupid for the other.

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Original post by Godd
- no porn -no warez -nothing illegal



There are different laws in different states/countries, so what would be considered illegal? Besides, I''m pretty sure hackers can find a security hole somewhere and be able to bypass something somewhere. Remember it''s made by a humans, humans are not perfect little robots.

I do like the 3D internet though, that would be kinda cool.




-UltimaX-

"You wished for a white christmas... Now go shovel your wishes!"

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Is this whole thing a joke?

http2:// is not the internet2!

Go here and learn. Internet2 is a research project between universities and some select companies. It is not for commercial use.

And the moment you start restricting what you want on the network, you are no longer on the internet.

Regards,
Jeff

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Nice ideas........

Notes on idea 1:
- How would it control what is on servers?

Notes on idea 2:
- There are many programs that do this. They also people to buy there own "space" and then the buyer gets to design their own 3D space with walls, floors, etc. They can even encorporate scripting to allow the making of games so that they can have a MMO games.



- Rob Loach
Current Project: Go Through Object-Oriented Programming in C++ by Robert Lafore

"Do or do not. There is no try."
- Yoda

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ummmm...

there is already a .kids domain. With filters so people can set their kids to a .kids only domains...

Its all stores and childrens stuff. Which is somewhat of what you want. A place "safe" for children. However, the problem is, when you get to making the internet idiot proof for parents, it ain''t going to happen.

Some kids, Harry Potter is approprate, and for some kids, it isn''t. For some kids Friday the 13th is approprate, and some kids will stay up all night. The only real solution to have an internet that children can dump children on, is to have it kinegardarn style. Or maybe have a .teens and a .kids. Even then, does a 13-year-old magically have more intellegents than a 12-year-old?

The only real solution is to leave the computer in a very open room, like a tv room, or the dinning room, where children cannot get into it without parents seeing. Install the approprate filters, add logging, so you can see what your kids are up too. And leave them be.

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Some kids, Harry Potter is approprate, and for some kids, it isn''t.


I''m really impressed by how dumb parents can be. It''s called fiction! How can fiction not be "appropriate"? I can understand if it''s violent, but Harry Potter is all but! They ban Harry Potter from the schools, and then send their kids off to watch Lord of the Rings! AHHH!!! I hate stupid people!



- Rob Loach
Current Project: Go Through Object-Oriented Programming in C++ by Robert Lafore

"Do or do not. There is no try."
- Yoda

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The only real solution is to leave the computer in a very open room, like a tv room, or the dinning room, where children cannot get into it without parents seeing. Install the approprate filters, add logging, so you can see what your kids are up too. And leave them be.


But, if children don't experience it for themselves (or hear stories of people who HAVE experienced it), they will want it. Just think about how you grew up, your parents wanted the best for you so they said stuff like "Don't walk to school through the alley because it's dangerous". So what did you do? Walk through the alley. Parents have to tell their children why, what the outcome may (or may not) be, and then let their children choose .

If you just cut children/people off from the world, they won't know what's "good" and what is "bad".

[EDIT] I might of gone off on a tangent, but oh well, it was worth the rant .


- Rob Loach
Current Project: Go Through Object-Oriented Programming in C++ by Robert Lafore

"Do or do not. There is no try."
- Yoda


[edited by - Rob Loach on May 4, 2003 6:24:22 PM]

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quote:
Original post by Rob Loach
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Install the approprate filters, add logging, so you can see what your kids are up too. And leave them be.


1st.
Leave them be, as in, let them do whatever they feel like. They totally have free reign on the computer, except its in a place where adults can see what the kids are up to easily.

2nd.
Harry Potter is a good fiction, but it should not be watched by EVERYONE. Some 7-year-olds can see Harry and enjoy it, some 7-year-olds can see Harry and get scared, becaues they think the three headed dog is alive and will eat them when they goto sleep.
I should have used superman tho...

Some kids watch superman and understand, some try to fly out of second story windows.

(edit - missing tags)

[edited by - dede on May 4, 2003 10:13:33 PM]

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