quote:Original post by nvision
Ken Lashley, president of Draxhall Jump Comics (pencilled 10th Muse, Batman, Excalibur, etc.) once said to me, "Styles come and go, but if you can do decent traditional realism you'll always have a job in the art business." Work on your basics, anatomy, form, light, perspective, before you concentrate on style.

I agree. Cartoons are about simplifying real objects, and you can't do that successfuly if you aren't familiar with what you're simplifying. Some of Matisse's figure drawings don't look realistic, but they have something to them you can't get without understanding the human figure and traditional values in art. Lots of people today skip all that and make copies of what others are doing.

[edited by - mtw on May 7, 2003 2:58:47 PM]

horsey eh...hm...all of a sudden I had an urge to go back to art for a little while..taking a break from programming..i''ll see what i can draw

quote:Original post by bishop_pass
Like I said, the better anime gets, the more it shirks the style that is anime. And it does indeed project a feeling that it's for kiddies.

THAT, is what your culture tells you. It tells you that something hand animated is for children. It has always been so, but hopefully it will change.

It's about as retarded as thinking all comics are for children.

During the fifties, when the american comics started to develop and aim for a more mature audience, due to protests from conservative (and quite moronic) parents and teachers, the comic industry began enforcing self censorship. This lead to the "kiddification" (nice word, eh) of western comics.

And don't tell me Spawn is a mature comic.

Well, my personal theory is that this is what also made animated movies a medium directed to kids only. But disney is probably to blame for that as well...

I should perhaps also say that my favourite comic authors are NOT japanese, they're french and belgian. Jaques Tardi is my all time favourite.

EDIT: Howard Terpning has now become my favourite painter of realistic art

EDIT: Misquote

[edited by - Ganryu on May 7, 2003 4:00:11 PM]

[edited by - Ganryu on May 7, 2003 4:33:18 PM]

"Anime generally lacks culture, and it is defined by one style, which isn''t that great.

So there you have it: anime is one style, and can''t even find or portray culture well."

Alright...Here I have to disagree. While I do find many anime/manga titles produced in recent years are simply cookie-cutter manufactured fluff, I think your remarks are rather overgenerallized and there for the sake of inciting conflict.

Anime at it''s core grew OUT of culture, and is a direct evolution of Japan''s national cultural style which was molded by over 400 years of self-imposed isolation. Many conventions and stylistic adaptations arose from early comic/animation work of artists like Osamu Tezuka. These were refined and reinterpreted by many differnet artists since then, resultin in a multitude of styles.

Compare work by Shinichiro Watanabe to Mamoru Oishii or Hayao Miyazaki...clearly three distict styles of drawing and all steeped in culture. All three of them also deal with different aspects of culture as well. Look at Miyazaki''s accurate portrayal of children''s behaviour or Watanabe''s fluid, dance-like fight scenes. Or look at manga artists like Ryoichi Ikegami or Katsuhiro Otomo...clearly they know thier sh!t.

I agreed that people should be drawing more than just what they see in their favourite crappy tv show, but now you''re sounding like a narrow-minded ass.

-ian!