Clouds again
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Hi,
I''m currently implementing clouds for my sky, and there are some problems...
I''m doing it like this:
http://freespace.virgin.net/hugo.elias/models/m_clouds.htm
The only difference in my implementation is, that I use the graphics hardware for blending the four perlin maps together.
It looks like this:
http://www.husser.de/clouds.jpg
In the corners there are the 4 perlin maps (have a look in the paper to see how they are created). The left one in the middle is the blended texture with all the four perlin maps.
But how to create the "filter" function (would be the image middle right), that is described in the paper? I don''t have access to the blended texture, do I? Can I do the same effect using some blending? I think you could do it with pixel shader, but my gf2mx doesn''t support that...
Can anyone help?
thx,
fallen
Well, I don't know how you would do it in your case, but I'd rather blend them together "physicaly" (add each pixel (on image) together and divide it by 4 , and you get the average pixel).
finalImage[x][y] = (first[x][y]+second[x][y]+third[x][y]+fourth[x][y])/4; // final image pixel
// X & Y are the coordinates of the pixel on map
You then have one texture and you can throw other four away.
But this takes you some time, to compute the image.
[edited by - unknownnick on May 27, 2003 9:35:42 AM]
finalImage[x][y] = (first[x][y]+second[x][y]+third[x][y]+fourth[x][y])/4; // final image pixel
// X & Y are the coordinates of the pixel on map
You then have one texture and you can throw other four away.
But this takes you some time, to compute the image.
[edited by - unknownnick on May 27, 2003 9:35:42 AM]
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Yeah, I''ve already thought about that. But at the moment the stretching and smoothing of the textures is done by OpenGL. Blending by myself would mean, that I would have to stretch and smooth by myself, too...
So this isn''t really an option I think...
So this isn''t really an option I think...
This "filter" function you mention,is this for the cloud-cover subtraction and exponential? It seems you have already blended the octaves and it''s time to transform them.
I don''t think you can do the exp in HW on a GF2, you need texture lookups for it. The two ways I can see are to make the blending and "filter" pass in SW, or, buy a new GFX card
I don''t think you can do the exp in HW on a GF2, you need texture lookups for it. The two ways I can see are to make the blending and "filter" pass in SW, or, buy a new GFX card
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Damn, that''s not what I wanted to read... But thx!
But how to smooth a picture in SW? I''ve never done that before...
But how to smooth a picture in SW? I''ve never done that before...
I think he didn''t use the same texture four times, but he created different ones.
So there isn''t a question about stretching (I don''t know what did you mean by smoothing). You hust create four textures, and every next one is the half of the first one.
Than you have to do the tiling, and blending. All by yourself.
But again, this is very slow!
So there isn''t a question about stretching (I don''t know what did you mean by smoothing). You hust create four textures, and every next one is the half of the first one.
Than you have to do the tiling, and blending. All by yourself.
But again, this is very slow!
Amost chatting this...
You want to blend textures and at the same time scale them, bilinearly I guess?
Copy the highest octave into the final buffer and scale the buffer by 2. Blend the next octave and scale by 2. Repeat for all octaves.
This scaling should be done using bilinear filter, atleast.
You must fill in the missing space between the texels by interpolating the values beside, in this 2x case, just a simple average. Note that the diagonal average should be the average of 4 texels.
You want to blend textures and at the same time scale them, bilinearly I guess?
Copy the highest octave into the final buffer and scale the buffer by 2. Blend the next octave and scale by 2. Repeat for all octaves.
This scaling should be done using bilinear filter, atleast.
/* Block of 4 texels in buffer */abcd/* Scaled */a-b-|\|\c-d-|\|\ You must fill in the missing space between the texels by interpolating the values beside, in this 2x case, just a simple average. Note that the diagonal average should be the average of 4 texels.
hum... SW smoothing?
I''ve been reading some topics about perlin noise and such... the topic should be here--> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=158235
Smoothing included. I hope this is what you want.
...humm does the rest of the world sleep or is this european forum?
I''ve been reading some topics about perlin noise and such... the topic should be here--> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=158235
Smoothing included. I hope this is what you want.
...humm does the rest of the world sleep or is this european forum?
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ok, i was to slow...
thx
[edited by - The_Fallen on May 27, 2003 9:59:42 AM]
ok, i was to slow...
thx[edited by - The_Fallen on May 27, 2003 9:59:42 AM]
Fractal perlin textures are a pain in the neck because you just can't cheat and come up with good results.
The Hugo Elias article is extremely popular, but IMHO it doesn't properly explain the concept. Here's how perlin textures work.
1. For the point x,y,z, find the perlin noise value
2. Set our weight value to 1
3. Multiply x,y,z by some factor
4. Multiply weight value by some factor
5. Find perlin noise, multiply it by weight value
6. Add perlin noise to total
7. Repeat steps 3-6 some number of times
By changing the number of repeats (octaves), the scaling factor from step 3 (lambda) and the weighting factor in step 4 (omega) we can get many many different patterns. Somewhere in there is a nice cloud pattern.
So you're not actually creating multiple textures; you're creating one texture by doing some crazy math on it. It's also very very slow if you use too many iterations. I suggest trying to stay under 5 octaves if at all possible.
[edit] I misunderstood the original question...
Here's my suggestion. Start with the initial, basic texture that "looks" the biggest (i.e. is not scaled). Give it an alpha of 1. Reduce the texture by 50%, tile it to cover the same space as the first texture, and layer it on top with an alpha of 0.25. Repeat for the next 2, increasing alpha by 0.25 each time. Change the alpha increment if you need more than 4 octaves.
[edited by - ApochPiQ on May 27, 2003 10:08:24 AM]
The Hugo Elias article is extremely popular, but IMHO it doesn't properly explain the concept. Here's how perlin textures work.
1. For the point x,y,z, find the perlin noise value
2. Set our weight value to 1
3. Multiply x,y,z by some factor
4. Multiply weight value by some factor
5. Find perlin noise, multiply it by weight value
6. Add perlin noise to total
7. Repeat steps 3-6 some number of times
By changing the number of repeats (octaves), the scaling factor from step 3 (lambda) and the weighting factor in step 4 (omega) we can get many many different patterns. Somewhere in there is a nice cloud pattern.
So you're not actually creating multiple textures; you're creating one texture by doing some crazy math on it. It's also very very slow if you use too many iterations. I suggest trying to stay under 5 octaves if at all possible.
[edit] I misunderstood the original question...
Here's my suggestion. Start with the initial, basic texture that "looks" the biggest (i.e. is not scaled). Give it an alpha of 1. Reduce the texture by 50%, tile it to cover the same space as the first texture, and layer it on top with an alpha of 0.25. Repeat for the next 2, increasing alpha by 0.25 each time. Change the alpha increment if you need more than 4 octaves.
[edited by - ApochPiQ on May 27, 2003 10:08:24 AM]
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