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Does anyone here have a job programming? Especially Games? I was wondering from an employer stand point which would be more important to have? A Bachelors in Computer Science, or a C++ Programming Certificate?

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A Bachelors in CS is the MINIMUM to get a programming job (unless you already have a BS and a ton of professional programming experience). You''ll also need some practical experience in the form of internships to stand a reasonable chance. A certificate just is not going to cut it.

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Neither. The C++ certificate will serve you little for any programming jobs at all. You''ll have much more luck with a bachlor. At least that will teach you how a computer works + algorithms not just the raw material required to make a program bare-bone functional. But even a comp sci. bachlor is not the best you can get to. The best programmers are the ones who can think out a problem by themselves and that requires math. A student in math (although they may not know the machine too much) will typically be much more able to resolve a problem by themselves than a CSI student. most math degree are offered with a concentration in computer science. Some computer scientists think that they''re all that but when it comes down to solving a non-standard problem which was taught in class, they''re stuck.

Just my opinion as an employer!

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I agree with AP. These are both just credentials. By themselves, neither of them have nearly as much weight as experience.

Ok, now that we got that out of the way, lets look at reality.

As someone that hires game programmers, if I saw a resume that listed C++ Programming Certificate, I would be inclined to throw it in the trash. Knowing C++ is such a small part of programming. Someone showing this as an accomplishment probably has very little to offer.

In contrast, a BSCS shows that you have been learning about programming for 4 years. Whether or not you actually have any skill remains to be seen, but at least you have spent a significant amount of time learning things.

What you didn''t mention for consideration is a demo. I can''t emphasize how important demos are. Demos show that you have some experience (even if just a little) with some of the issues of game programming. Even if the people you are interviewing don''t want to see the demo, the fact that you have one is a huge plus.

In summary:

BSCS -- good,
C++ Programming Certificate -- bad
demo -- can''t be beat!

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Right now a BSCS is uesless unless you have 2-3 years experience. Entry-level has fallen off the map. Hell, even internships unofficially require experience. People just want cheap labor. That doesn''t mean a BSCS is useless, but you need to cobble together experience any way you can to make it payoff.

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Jambolo is right; a good demo is priceless when looking for a job. From what I read again and again from people in the games industry, they don''t honestly care what certificates or degrees you have. All that matters is what you can _DO_, not what you have "officially learned", and that should be showcased in your demo.

unkn.Enigma1625

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I just graduated with a BSCS this year and have three job offers. There is demand for entry level CS majors if you have connections and communication skills. That last part is important. A lot of CS guys spend their waking hours in front of a glowing screen without any other human contact. Then they go to an interview and have no personality and nothing to really talk about. Charisma is very under rated and something that is seriously lacking in the computer field.

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Original post by Enigma1625
From what I read again and again from people in the games industry, they don''t honestly care what certificates or degrees you have. All that matters is what you can _DO_, not what you have "officially learned", and that should be showcased in your demo.

The problem is, there are a Lot of people looking for jobs, and not many jobs available. And employers don''t necessarily have time to load up every demo they get sent, but they do have time to check your resumé. So naturally they''re gonna look at the demos from people with a degree first.



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I''m going to be a junior next year going to school for computer science and I landed an awesome internship with a video game company. It can be done.

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