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Novell acquired Ximian. Your thoughts?

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Interim    122
Don''t see how it will bother the SCO case, Novell still hasn''t gotten involved.

Though, RedHat and IBM are both suing SCO now. Personally, SCO better have something up their sleeve if they want to go at it with IBM. I''d put money on IBM''s intellectual property and patents before SCO''s.

Have to wait and see, its all pretty silly now.

Though I think the Novell direction towards a Linux distro is interesting. It''ll be interesting to see if they can bring solid LAN management based on eDirectory, as well as a solid calendering/email program (Groupwise?).

They already have netware client for Linux and I believe NW6 started running on Linux? I try to avoid Novell usually, but would love to see someone try to get Linux under a solid directory management that isn''t an afterthought.

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Oluseyi    2109
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Have to wait and see, its all pretty silly now.
Word.

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Though I think the Novell direction towards a Linux distro is interesting. It''ll be interesting to see if they can bring solid LAN management based on eDirectory, as well as a solid calendering/email program (Groupwise?).
Throw in what Ximian''s done with Evolution and the Exchange Connector and you have some powerful enterprise desktop potential. Plus Ximian''s obvious experience with GNOME...

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TMAN    307
I dunno, maybe there will be a real contender to Microsoft, but then does anyone still use any Novell products? How many people on this forum have any experience with Novell products?

As for SCO.. well Novell definately has gotten involved (haven''t they?) They''re using IP that SCO claims to own. But then SCO is just uncomfortably warm air.

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Oluseyi    2109
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I dunno, maybe there will be a real contender to Microsoft, but then does anyone still use any Novell products?
Do you have experience with the enterprise (just asking)? UNCG uses Novell, as do several other institutions. A fair number of corporations use Novell NetWare and its other offerings as well.

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How many people on this forum have any experience with Novell products?
Client-side, I do.

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As for SCO.. well Novell definately has gotten involved (haven''t they?) They''re using IP that SCO claims to own.
SCO purchased the IP from Novell. The only way in which Novell can be construed to be involved currently is in backing up IBM''s claim to an irrevocable license; Novell isn''t party to any legal action yet.

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zfod    122
Heh,

A lot of people still use Novell, and yes it is actually worth a damn unfortunately. People value this LAN management/groupware/directory services stuff. I'm not a big Novell fan myself, as I'd rather see something like it come to fruition that is open-source.

Personally, I don't like the big LDAP/directory services push. LDAP was never meant for most of the things people are trying to do with it, and thus it tends to do a shitty job at a wide-variety of tasks ( or rather it can be crap to mold some specific functionality into the LDAP model ). I had some bitter experience with using it in a failed nextgen NIS project years ago, in addition to small functional purposes over the past few years as well.

I digress. I hope SCO finally burns in hell. They have been pulling this sort of bullshit for so long now that it just plain old. They should also be made to suffer greatly for Unixware. Bastards.

*EDIT* -- more to the point of the original question/topic:

As far as the Ximian stuff goes, I don't know how it will directly affect the SCO case. All I see here is SCO trying get a big pump and dump scheme going. I wouldn't be surprised if SCO ends up being ran through the ringer by the SEC in addition to oweing a pissload of money to the likes of IBM and Red Hat.

.zfod



[edited by - zfod on August 10, 2003 12:36:52 PM]

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zfod    122
BTW,

I''m still waiting to actually see an environment where I can put my Exchange Connector license to use with Evolution. No place I have been has had the Exchange web shit installed ( Exchange 2000 I believe ) so I''ve been stonewalled for the past few years with my connector license.

That would be the only way I''d even use Ximian anymore, is if I could put that license to use. It''d be really neat if they could get something together that doesn''t need to pull some web-based hack stuff together and just do the on-the-wire MAPI.

Or better yet, an entire solution that is 1000 times better than Exchange is done with open standards........



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TMAN    307
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Do you have experience with the enterprise (just asking)? UNCG uses Novell, as do several other institutions. A fair number of corporations use Novell NetWare and its other offerings as well.


Actually, no. And I don''t know anyone besides my uncle who has any either. But then I''m young- 17- so maybe I''ll run into it someday. Thats why I wanted to know. I didn''t know UNCG used it. What''s it good for? Why did they choose it over windows or *nix?

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Client-side, I do.


Do you mean ipx? I was going for those other things like groupware and netware cuz I''ve only read about Novell products in certification books.

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SCO purchased the IP from Novell. The only way in which Novell can be construed to be involved currently is in backing up IBM''s claim to an irrevocable license; Novell isn''t party to any legal action yet.


This is where I''m still confused. SCO is claiming that the current UNIX and Linux codebase is contaminated with their IP even though it was released legally under the GPL, right? Aren''t they developing a new distribution so isn''t Novell just using that IP?

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Interim    122
Novell still has plenty of deployments in large financial companies and some other industries. For a long time, no one could match Zen Works IMHO, but Active Directory does just the job. MS put their marketing muscle and sales muscle behind it, now its slowly replacing Netware from what I can see.

I think Novell will never replace Microsoft. However, I think there is a good market for a Unix/Linux user and computer directory system. iPlanet is good, but you need something with auto-deployments and easy to use user accounting.

I do think Novell has just become attractive to companies toying with the idea of Linux, particularly the European gov''ts and corps switching to free up the yolk of US-Microsoft products. Since Novell has Win32 clients, it might also provide a strong migration path for companies on the switch path to Linux, or just want to have more diverse LANs (either to give MS some chills in negotiations, or just to get access to Linux technologies).

I think they said they''ll have something out by the end of the year, it''ll be interesting to see. I haven''t heard much of Groupwise in ages, so it''ll be interesting to see if they can revive it on Linux.

I think one thing is for certain, its doubtful Linux will just be a fad in the market like OS/2. (though I have seen people who still use OS/2 *grin*).

Either way, it all depends on Novell having the resource and power to get people to buy Enterprise Management on Linux. I think Linux is still a network server/specific function platform at this point, no one seems to be converting basic operations and looking for AD or ZenWorks on Linux. Well, maybe the German gov''t =). However, it might be a sort of chicken-egg move. You get Ent Management, you get more general Linux networks.

I still think the first group to provide a corporate supported desktop distro with Ent management, consistent interface, and administrator based remote management that isn''t based on months of custom scripts, will be in a good position should Linux explode instead of trickle into the market. Particularly if they provide software distribution (which I think Zen Works currently supports on Linux..haven''t check.)

Either, way, good news for Linux fans and proponents.


Int.

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Shannon Barber    1681
I''ve always been a fan on NW, so I guess I''m excited. I run Netware at home and am running a linux machine now too. Tools for Netware+Linux are somewhat lacking, so the acquisition will problably result in a decent NW client for linux.

NW7 is suppose to run on either the NW kernel or the linux kernel, and there''s already a GNU port in-progress for NW6/6.5. This means taht NW servers will be able to run Mono and be used for the whole .Net webservice thing.

It''s another large company comitted to open source projects, and Novell remains competive with Microsoft.


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Shannon Barber    1681
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I dunno, maybe there will be a real contender to Microsoft, but then does anyone still use any Novell products? How many people on this forum have any experience with Novell products?



I have lots of experience with many Novell products. Thier NOS is massively superior to any NT or *nix system for this purpose (primary file & print serving). The NW disk management is light-years ahead of NT/XP and on-par in capability with advanced experimental unix file systems but NSS is proven running on thousands of production servers.

There''s two things that are bad about it. The Windows client is a bug-ridden bastard (supicions are high that MS takes aim at it), and the last two versions of NW were administrated by crappy Java applets (poor in responsiveness and poor in thier capability to perform maintaince task. e.g. you can only select one user at a time, with the old Win32 native software you could select multiple users at a time. The old-old DOS software was very responsive, you didn''t have to drink a cup of coffee waiting for "Console One" to load or wait for the editbox to catch-up to what you typed).

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Interim    122
MS, as usual though, is making steady roads into all of those features plus with AD. Group Policies and the new WMI Filters for AD app deployments on 2003 are a nice road in. Add in ADSI with scripting, you can manage your entire directory with VBScripts (I like Python though).

Not knocking Novell, they were there first, but as usual MS just picks and chooses what they want, and push it out with massive marketing power. Though, those Java apps are slooooow. At least the last time I used them with consistency about 3+ years ago. Hopefully they''re better.

But, having an easy to use administration of Unix and Windows machines (and Macs *grin*) would be a great niche market for mixed-environment companies...which is what I suspect will be the norm for the future. I think most companies are realizing they can''t standardize on one platform and hope to meet all their IT goals with speed and cost.

Just my 2 bits. =)

Int.

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