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Ok, all this talk about RPGs and whats right and wrong with them has got me thinking. What is the BEST ROLE-PLAYING Game ever. Most true to the idea that you are a character, and that character is a real person. My pick: Vampire:The Masquerade(And offshoots) This is one of the true ROLE-PLAYING and not ROLL-PLAYING games ever. Its not about the combat(Like Werewolf/Shadowrun) and not about the character buildup(TSR Games), Its about the Horror of waking up everynight and having to lose your morals to survive. Well, thats it...FLAME AWAY!!! -Run_The_Shadows -Run_The_Shadows@excite.com

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Two years ago, I would have agreed with you in a heartbeat. Recently, White Wolf''s releases have been getting progressively cheesier, despite some system improvements.

Also, take a look at the way they handle math in that game. A dice pool systme with equal variables? What''s that crap!? No matter what combination of dice you roll, your percentage of success remains pretty much the same. With exceptions in the extreme, you are simply rolling one big complicated die! Of course, this doesn''t really matter since the dice only play a minimal role in the game.

Don''t get me wrong, I still play white wolf''s games... but recently their publications have been encouraging the cheesiest kind of games! Even whack-a-monster is more tolerable than a :captain-planet" style game of werewolf where they blow up the moon. C''mon people.

Best Dice System ever: Sihlouette from Dream Pod 9.
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Best RPG concept ever: HoL.

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FF7 is pretty good...

- DarkMage139
"Real game developers don't change the rules. Real game developers don't break the rules. Real game developers make the rules!"
"Originality (in games) is the spice of life!"

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I have to say White-Wolf''s Werewolf series. Grant you can go and tear through everything in true hack and slash style, but the back story is the best part of it. Not only spritual and mystical, you''ve got all the politics you need AND you get to kill all the icky stuff with a 9 foot monster. You can''t go wrong with that. Though its granted you need a mature group of players to actually have the story backdrop mean anything...

Eri Norris

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I don''t really have a best rpg ever. There are bits from rpgs which I think are great like certain battles in Baldur''s Gate, the slow realisation of the level from mapping in Ultima Underworld, the terror in System Shock 2 from the first plot twist, witnessing the carnage wrought from casting delayed blast fireball into a pack of advanced draconians and watching them destry themselves in a chain reaction in the last game of the gold box Krynn series, killing the ruby and emerald weapons in FF7 with a double summon Knights of the Round counter mimic chain in under 2 rounds, the apocalyptic final battle and resolution in FF games, the amusing FF-like big spell FMVs in PS:Torment, or even sniping with a plasma rifle in Fallout, but there is no one package which grabs me. I''m still waiting for the best RPG ever.

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My computer really sucks so I can''t play online, but for consoles, I know what is what.

The best PSX RPG has got to be a tie between FF7/FF8 I think FF7 is slightly better than FF8, but it''s so close!

Nintendo 64 is lacking, and quest was an experience...not one i remember too well. What I do remember was spending 20 hourse AFTER beating the game trying to level up my character and only got to 330 something hp before my Controller Pack erased. I love Zelda: TOOT.

Lunar was short, and the only reason I got it was because they weren''t selling anymore after a certain date. Jade Cocoon (spelling?) was innovative, but short. FF Anthology with it''s FF5 was good. Xenogears was long, and by the second disk it looked lke the programmers and game developers were getting tired....
Legend of Dragoon is cool. And FF9 is gonna rock, just like every Square game. You may hate RPG''s, and you may hate FF''s ways of doing things, but their presentation/music/FMV/stories are out of this galaxy.

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I would have to say that Xenogears by SquareSoft is definitely the best RPG ever made. It has one of the most detailed, twisted, and awesome stories I ever heard, combined with the some of the greatest gameplay, music, characters, style, and such cool graphics.

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ff7 and after were all pathetic. For the real Square games you have to play snes titles: ff2, ff3, and chrono trigger. Notice that they fool who made ff7+8 isn''t in charge anymore, they brought back the old guy. Hopefully they will regain their lost glory and the games will actually include gameplay instead of focusing entirely on repettitive and simple combat with pretty graphics mixed in. So in my opinion ff2 is the one.

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Legend of Zelda on the NES or Ultima VII on the PC. These two have to remain as the two best games ever. Zelda just rocked.

Kressilac

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Funny how people always consider the latest titles the best.
It only indicates a longing for eye candy.
Just say as it is "tha best rpg ever until the next in series!"
Just wait until Squaresoft hires another 100 artists and programmers.
The genre is following a linear growth of stagnation: put in more
manpower -> get out more eyecandy. Nothing much happening, the
basic concept has been worn since I started gaming in the 80:s.

I am now the official pessimist on the site. Yeah. Can I have
"pessimist" for rank puhleese?

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Dragon Wars!!!!!
( and if anyone remembers that game, you guys are older than I thought )


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Dragon Wars... I think I have that burnt on CD somewhere... is that where you start in an arena or something?

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Well, sort of, you start in an exile town and have to fight your way back out, through the arena.


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Sentinal Worlds:Future Magic (C64/128), three disks and 3 complete worlds. It was pretty damn good for its period. Good plot and character building. Characters roleplayed excellently. Just a lot of disk swappng. I love that game!

P.S. You had to turn the sound off though :-)

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I expect someone to come out with Dungeon Master and I would agree that this was a GREAT RPG but my favorate RPG was Abandoned Places 2 on the Amiga.

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But every creator thinks that theres is the best. I think that the idea is the one that made you fall in love with RPGs enough to want to make one.

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FF7 is one of the best RPG''s around. I also liked
the Zelda Games. Even the one on the N64. Shadowrun
was good for while too. Anyone Agree?

Thanx In Advance
STVOY

Mega Moh Mine!!

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There''s none... RPG''s suck and they always will... so stop creating arguments and have some rest young man...

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The best RPG ever? Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, whatever edition was being played with in the mid to late 80''s. 2nd? I can''t remember.

But it wins HANDS DOWN.

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Ultima VII, or The Bard''s Tale, or Bloodwych.

Although I never played it, I watched my friends play Final Fantasy 7, and I can only assume that console gamers have much lower standards.

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Being that you are the self proclaimed site pessimist, Aversion, then I guess the natural conclusion would be that everyone just wants more eye candy. While there is no arguing that today''s games certainly have more eye candy, I think it is easily arguable that they have other redeeming features too. I also don''t think it''s overly optimistic to believe that today''s games are also getting better. Sure there is more and more crap flooding the market, but if we stay focused on the cream of the crop (which is not defined purely on sales records, to be clear), I do believe the top notch games are indeed getting better and better every year. And I think that holds true in every genre of gaming out there, but moreso in the RPG arena then any other. Not only that, but we are seeing RPG elements bleed into other genres more and more every year. Pure First Person Shooters have lost their novelty, and while they''re still popular, they''re losing more and more ground to more indepth First person Shooters where players take on more specific roles and work as teams to accomplish goals. Is that not also a form of roleplaying? You are after all playing a role within the action game. And within the RPG genre specifically we have games starting to explore areas that have to date been left untapped, or haven''t come close to their full potential. Baldur''s Gate II will give players the ability to obtain their own strongholds, something never before seen in an AD&D CRPG. Neverwinter Nights is going to completely redefine the way we play CRPGs in general, giving the players complete control over their own worlds and lives. The level of interactivity, depth of story, and expansiveness of the gaming worlds we have available today are far and above what was commonly available 10 years ago (with a few exceptions) Bottom line though, the best games today are indeed progressing forward, and the best games of tomorrow show no signs of this progress slowing down. That''s not optimism or pessimism, that''s realism.

As for my vote of Best RPG ever, I''m going to go out on a limb and choose a game not even available yet, Neverwinter Nights. This game is going to allow me to come closer to recreating my favorite Pen & Paper worlds on the PC then was ever previously possible.

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I''m now playing ''breath of fire 2'' for the SNES and it''s pretty darn good!
And it''s even not square''s.

Sludge Software
www.sludgesoft.com
Developing a secret of mana style role-playing-game

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Ultima VI, Ultima VII pt. I and pt. 2.

"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible." - Anonymous

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Ultima Underworld II is the best RPG ever if you only take computer rpgs in consideration. If you take the pen and paper ones I would say there is nothing greater than Shadowrun.

Everything is possible ...
... at least I think so.

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