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eXtreme Programming - a cult?

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Are you into extreme programming (or just annoyed by their cultist devotees) read this - it''s interesting: Hackot So, anyone here into XP?
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I guess this is the best defence for XP, when its opponents can''t come up with better arguments than to draw some far-fetched analogies to unrelated concepts in the world.

Umm... Apple sucks because it uses a lot of blue colors while I would never eat a real blue apple.

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Yeah well, I''ve never tried out XP in practice - but boy have I met people who''re almost fanatic about it.

Have you/do you used/use XP? Any benefits?

Usually people just give me som vague explanations about why XP is oh so good. It''ll be nice if someone for a change could tell me whether they actually benefit from XP when working on a real world project.



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xtreme programmin is wot? a project? an ide? a way of programming? a language?

i am a newcome to programming

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quote:
Original post by thona
::i am a newcome to programming

And too stupid to type the term into google and look yourself?


So you don''t know, or you''re just unnecessarily aggressive?



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I also agree with HenryApe about Apple. Its stinks, I mean theres like 3 games for the stupid thing and its only used for graphics. If I wanted to do graphics I would have used a GFX! he he

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[edited by - Last Attacker on August 15, 2003 8:29:01 AM]

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In reading over that link on XP, I''d have to say that the kind of programming I do now falls into that category. Especially the small changes and on-site customer parts And here I was thinking that was THE way to program... what''s the alternative(s)?

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XP is stupid linux cult fagot fanboy idea. If you like linux kerneling, retarded programming languages like brainfuck, singletons and other retarded crap people get obsessed of then xp might be for you.

Oh yeah I almost forgot, you have to be really loud about it and wander around internet programming forums and attack people who don't share same ideology, because IT IS THE ONLY WAY!

I guess their ideas are close to fundie christian ones. You have to bound yourself to stupidity through ideology and interpreting the way you want it to be interpreted.

Also, it would be appropriate to say here M$ SUXORZ OMG STOP MAEKING MONIES AND FIX UR PROGRAMMES! FAGORTS!

[edited by - Captain Goatse on August 15, 2003 9:57:33 AM]

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The only person I know who uses XP was my boss.

The strange thing was that, most of the time, it was a one-man company. Sometimes two.

He had a strange sort of wisdom. One that said to avoid functions where possible, because they make debugging more difficult (you have to step into them).

Cédric

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What are you talking about? Goatse, everything should be a singleton if you think about it! After all it is a design pattern and the more of those we have the better the program is!

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If that wasn''t THE stupidest thing I ever read its pretty damn close. Extreme programming is a cult because people get obsessed with it? So what your saying is sports are cults too? Oh and mmorpgs they cause suicide. Lets not forget the tv!

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Extreme programming is way too impractical as far as I''ve seen. It may be an interesting way to start a project ( minus the customer requirement off the bat ), but otherwise it''s like slamming all of the things that should be going on in a development group, in a general sense, into management-happy processes.

I think watered-down abstractions of extreme programming are much easier to make work.. or ''A little less extreme programming'' tactics.


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Hehe, thanks. That was an amusing read.

While I wouldn''t consider XP to be a cult-like activity, I have actually become a bit frustrated lately by what feels like an increasing movement towards a calculated lack of planning in the places I''ve worked. And sadly, I do think some of this falls from the XP notion.

For some reason, the idea of "re-factoring" seems to make a lot of people seemed justified in spending little to no time in planning things out. Which turns into the mindset of what I like to call the "If we don''t spend time planning it now, we''ll have more time to re-do it later" method.

To me, everything is just a strategy, including many of the XP practices. Sometimes, for a small project or for one where you have very little knowledge of what you''ll be tackling, it really does make the most sense to jump right in, and then stop at some point along the way and figure out where you''re really going and what it''ll take to get there. Other times, though, if you DO know a good deal about the problem domain your trying to solve it makes infitely more sense to figure out as much of it as you can beforehand. Sometimes it helps to get input from other people as you work along, if it''s something that''s not straight-forward. Other times, it''s best to crank along on your own if you know what you''re doing.

Everything in moderation, I guess. I think that''s the key.

-John

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