THANKS IF YOU HELP I created a model in milkshape Exported to POVRAY .inc format Opened POVRAY Loaded the exported .inc file Copied a camera and light setup to it''s start Then I clicked run and a black screen came up - ------- --- --- - ----- ------ ---- -- I also tryed including the file in the setup with and without the file added to the code but still a black screen The only thing I can think of is if I am inside the model so all i see is black but I don''t think the model is that big But I put a zero on the Z distance to see if I could go back farther and see it but still nothing! HAS THIS HAPPENED TO ANYONE ELSE? AND WHAT, IF SO, DID YOU DO? I just got POVRAY so i may be missing something THANKS AGAIN &|