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My game is coming out pretty good. It is tile based, and the editor is someone elses, he let me use it, and it allows tons of stuff for you to do. I am making my game like Chrono Trigger, and FF5 and games like that. The questions I have are: 1. Should I have Day-Night cycling? In games I''ve seen, it does day-night cycling, but at night time, kids are still playing out in the fields and say what a beautiful day it is! I am intending to change that, but that takes more time.. Should i do it? 2. Random Weather? Like the above. In games i''ve seen, if it is raining, people are walking around saying Hello, Welcome to Stupid Town, where we do stupid things. Also, NO PUDDLES! I never see any puddles when it rains! 3. Side Quests. What do you think of them? 4. First person, or side view battle? First person it would should just the monster and when you attack, your character runs up and attacks. Side view, you allows see your character, and your characters runs up to the enemy and attack. Also, if there is a big war, in the background I am thinking of showing NPCs battling it out while you battle. So, waddya think? 5. If you are on a cliff edge, should you be allowed to jump off? 6. Should there be a picture of the character''s face next to what he/she is saying? That way you can tell who it is... 7. Reply even if other people have. I want to see what YOU think about these questions.

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Okay, first off, these are all just my opinions, and the only experience I have to go on is that I love this type of game! Now, in response to your questions:
1) Day-Night Cycling is very cool, but only if it has some affect on the story line. For example, your character might have to steal something, and he can only break in at night, that sort of thing. The big problem with this cycle is that I would assume it doubles the data neccesary for every area. You basically have to change the graphics, the positions of each NPC, their dialogue, possible events, etc. In other words, you have to create two towns: Stupid Town Day and Stupid Town Night. Since your game is 2D, this might not be a big issue, since each area might only require a small amount of data. I would say, if you have the time, and your game doesn''t already require 500MB of hard drive space, do it and do it right.
2)My response to this one is pretty much the same as #1. Weather systems require more data for each area, but they are very cool. Once again, if it''s there, fit it into the story line somehow.
3)Side quests should definately be included. From my experience, side quests usually result in getting some supercool item or weapon, or even a secret character. Or even better, you could have different endings depending on what side quests were completed!
4)Personally, I''m partial to 3rd person. I like being able to see the status of my characters at all times. If a character is poison, then I want to be able to see kneeling over and turning green while someone else is attacking. ChronoTrigger has the coolest battle mode I''ve ever seen, but that is probably very complicated to make.
5)Yes and No. They shouldn''t be allowed all the time, just at designated spots that actually lead to somewhere else. This is how I''ve seen it done in most games.
6)This is definately a cool idea, probably better than just showing the name. Maybe a Picture with the Name as a caption would be more effective.
7)I''m the first!
Sorry this was so long, hope this helps you, feel free not to follow any of my comments or just some of them, and definately let me know when this game is ready!

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Well, I am glad someone replied so quick! BTW, the program I am using, it was made by the Japanese, and then someone else translated it and it is avaliable for free. So, it has to be freeware. But, not many people will pay 20 bucks to play a SNES type game on the computer when a totally 3D game is waiting at Wall Mart.. At least that is what my friends say. Well, keep posting!

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1. Should I have Day-Night cycling?
2. Random Weather?

is this your first game? If so start small. Maybe make a version of the game without these things and then make a better version of the same game with these new features added.

3. Side Quests. What do you think of them?

In moderation, yes they are nice. However the main story should be completely in the main quests, the side quests should just be fun diversions. Otherwise someone might miss part of the story if they don''t bother with the side quests.

6. Should there be a picture

yeah that''d be cool. There are other good ways to do it too, whatever you want will work

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1. No
2. No
3. Lots of Side Quests!!! Let them range from easy to hard to find. This way you''ll always wonder if there''s more. An RPG addict will love this, believe me
4. No
5. No
6. Yes

You can always add more, it can always be better. You can implement all of your options and even more, but maybe not?!
It may be better to focus on the important things, and make these perfect...!

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Original post by Lynck
1. Should I have Day-Night cycling? In games I've seen, it does day-night cycling, but at night time, kids are still playing out in the fields and say what a beautiful day it is! I am intending to change that, but that takes more time.. Should i do it?
2. Random Weather? Like the above. In games i've seen, if it is raining, people are walking around saying Hello, Welcome to Stupid Town, where we do stupid things. Also, NO PUDDLES! I never see any puddles when it rains!



These should definetly be a high priority. They add such rich immersion IMO.

BTW, that's a great point. Why the hell do ppl walk around when it's raining?


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3. Side Quests. What do you think of them?



Absolutely

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4. First person, or side view battle? First person it would should just the monster and when you attack, your character runs up and attacks. Side view, you allows see your character, and your characters runs up to the enemy and attack. Also, if there is a big war, in the background I am thinking of showing NPCs battling it out while you battle. So, waddya think?



3rd person is best because it allows more ranged combat.

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5. If you are on a cliff edge, should you be allowed to jump off?



it's ok, but I think there should be some warning to make sure the person doesn't accidently fall off

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6. Should there be a picture of the character's face next to what he/she is saying? That way you can tell who it is...



yes, good idea





"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom." --William Blake

"The road of excess also just ends making me tired because I'm too lazy" --Nazrix

Edited by - Nazrix on July 15, 2000 1:19:35 AM

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Original post by Lynck

1. Should I have Day-Night cycling? In games I've seen, it does day-night cycling, but at night time, kids are still playing out in the fields and say what a beautiful day it is! I am intending to change that, but that takes more time.. Should i do it?



Maybe if it affected storyline and gameplay. If not, don't, because if you're doing something that doesn't really have that much value, you're not doing the things that are important.

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2. Random Weather? Like the above. In games i've seen, if it is raining, people are walking around saying Hello, Welcome to Stupid Town, where we do stupid things. Also, NO PUDDLES! I never see any puddles when it rains!



It would add ambience, but I wouldn't suggest it unless it influenced gameplay. But it is good eye candy. Just make sure that the NPCs realize it's raining.

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3. Side Quests. What do you think of them?



Sounds cool

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4. First person, or side view battle? First person it would should just the monster and when you attack, your character runs up and attacks. Side view, you allows see your character, and your characters runs up to the enemy and attack. Also, if there is a big war, in the background I am thinking of showing NPCs battling it out while you battle. So, waddya think?



Hmmm... First Person sounds cool, I think it was Ultima Underworld that used it. Of course, sideview sounds good too, but do you mean Arcade style?

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5. If you are on a cliff edge, should you be allowed to jump off?



Hey, it's their life.

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6. Should there be a picture of the character's face next to what he/she is saying? That way you can tell who it is...



Sounds good.

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7. Reply even if other people have. I want to see what YOU think about these questions.


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Edited by - DarkMage139 on July 15, 2000 8:55:57 AM

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Ok, thanx for the replies. In answer to some of your questions, here they are:
This is not the first game I made. I have made about 5, all RPGs and all with this program I am using so I am very familiar with the layout and everything. My first game did not start out small, and I don''t understand why people say to start out small. I had ADVANCED combination systems, and stuff. But, all my games were deleted off my computer by a VIRUS!
Well, the battle system will be like Final Fantasy 5, kinda. I have made my decision. But, I am also leaning towards Chrono Trigger battle system.
So, Keep Postin!

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1. (D/N Cycle) > If you're willing to do the work required to make sure people don't say stupid stuff, by all means, go ahead.

2. (Weather) > Again, its a nice touch, just depends on how much work you want to do. Tying it in w/ the plot somehow might be nice too (i.e, maybe you can only revive the ancient magic fuzzball during a lightningstorm a'la the 'frankenstien' thingy)

3. (Side-Quests) > Lay 'em on me! The more, the better! Just make sure they're possible to find (I.e, don't make one where you have to be at the exact right place at the exact right time, without even so much as a little hint that it even exists). As for rewards for completing SQs, I personally like a little bit added to the plot, like you'd find out more about a character's past or something. Items are nice too.

4. (Battle) No real preference.

5. (Cliff jumping?) Uh, sure. Not high cliffs though. I don't wanna die because I accidently hit the '<-' button too long.

6. (Pics) Sure, quite a few games have done this, and I always find it to be a nice touch.

Edited by - A. Buza on July 17, 2000 12:14:00 AM

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I am starting to construct my first RPG using isometrics, all those ideas are cool. And I like real time battle systems, and nothing puny, I like hard realtime battle systems where the enemies can kick my ass, perhaps difficulty levels, hey, maybe i'll do that =) but real time systems are so much better than picking commands, at least that way the player is involved.

Damn... I just got some ideas, perhaps you can use some of these yourself, an environmental system can be put in place, possibly implemented as a C++ finite state machine, NPC AI can have access to this and perhaps judge the environment and make decisions, for instance, if you classify an environment as volatile, npcs will probably stay away, if it is raining, they will seek shelter. Although altering speach to this will be a bit hard, it can certainly affect movements.

- Tom
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Edited by - olp-fan on July 17, 2000 12:55:53 AM

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The things you mention are icing on the cake. If you have the time, energy and money to implement them, then they will make the game more fun. But if you have to delay the games release for two years to add these things then it is not worth it. And for tile based games you basically have to make duplicates of everything (unlike 3d where you can change the color of a light).

Conversely, if icing is all you have, people will be left hungry for real fill. Plot, consistent design and character development should be the real priority in this type of game.

-R

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quote:
Original post by Lynck

1. Should I have Day-Night cycling?



That depends? Will it factor into the game, or are you just considering it so you can add it to your features list?

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2. Random Weather?



Same as above. Is there a point? Will weather weaken or strengthen characteristics in the player? Will certain creatures only come out when it rains or never come out when it rains?

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3. Side Quests. What do you think of them?



I like them, and think they can add depth to the game. But sometimes it helps if they factor back into the main plot somehow. In fact, I mostly think that''s a must.

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4. First person, or side view battle?



If you did first person, I wouldn''t play it. Simple as that. It is rarely pulled off well in a game that is primarily NOT first person, and personally I just hate it.

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5. If you are on a cliff edge, should you be allowed to jump off?



Only if you hit the jump button and press an arrow key in the direction of the cliff. It would be poor design if the player fell off and died because they accidentally walked too close to the cliff. But most importantly, why would the player do that? Would it ever take them to a new area? Would there ever be a logical reason for suicide?

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6. Should there be a picture of the character''s face next to what he/she is saying?


That''s up to you, really, I don''t think most gamers have a preference. At minimum, you MUST put character names next to dialogue. If you feel that most players probably won''t remember character names, you should use pictures. On the other hand, if you''re sprites and such don''t make it obvious which face belongs to whom, you shouldn''t bother.

My $.02
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1. Should I have Day-Night cycling? In games I''ve seen, it does day-night cycling, but at night time, kids are still playing out in the fields and say what a beautiful day it is! I am intending to change that, but that takes more time.. Should i do it?

It depends on if it will affect the game or not...if you can add it in and actually have it add another element of strat, go ahead.

2. Random Weather? Like the above. In games i''ve seen, if it is raining, people are walking around saying Hello, Welcome to Stupid Town, where we do stupid things. Also, NO PUDDLES! I never see any puddles when it rains!

Although weather would add to a game...it is not one of the most important things. If you can add weather and actually make it good the go for it otherwise don''t bother.


3. Side Quests. What do you think of them?

By all means you NEED sidequests! The game should be focused on the main plot but you need to have side things going on to be realistic. I say add them in...don''t try to put TOOOO many though(is that possible??)! Make them worthwile, but mostly optional.


4. First person, or side view battle? First person it would should just the monster and when you attack, your character runs up and attacks. Side view, you allows see your character, and your characters runs up to the enemy and attack. Also, if there is a big war, in the background I am thinking of showing NPCs battling it out while you battle. So, waddya think?

Well...this is a toughie...for a strategic realtime battle, normally third person would be the best...but for most other situations either would do fine. Whatever you like more and works better for the game.


5. If you are on a cliff edge, should you be allowed to jump off?

The more you limit a player, the more unrealistic the game become. Remember freedom is a key factor in making your game realistic and fun. I say let the player do whatever he wants.


6. Should there be a picture of the character''s face next to what he/she is saying? That way you can tell who it is...

This is really just personal preference...I wouldn''t care much about this.

Although these sound llke orders...I meant the to be suggestion/opinions. Maybe these might help you in your decisions, but you might make better ones than my opinions. Good Luck! Btw, im also making an rpg...''cept mine is going to be a 3D one and very similar to ff7....except my battle system is very unique and i believe very strategic and fun. I have to go through a lot of these types of decisions very soon I still can''t decide between 3rd or 1st person!

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It's also cool to be able to attack NPC's, like shopkeeps and the such.. perhaps make a key that engages in battle with people/things you'd normally not have to..

just a sugestion.

Ahh! Edit! Edit!:
It's also cool to have enemies spawn.. like say, every 5 minutes
a large rat would spawn.. (but it wouldn't start the timer until you ed the first one) etc. I guess Everquest is very influencing..

Edited by - dark_stalker on July 18, 2000 10:16:04 PM

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1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes, not to many, or else it makes it harder to see the main objective of the game, most of the zelda games make good use of side-quests.
4. Third Person, I like seeing my player.
5. Yes, because your allowed to jump off a cliff in Real Life, so why not in a game?
6. Yes, it helps to make it clearer who''s talking.

"When people tell you they want to hear the truth, you know that their lying."

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