If you run photoshop, fireworks and all the other MDI programs you can see it works like a whatever MDI appication but with a difference that is they doesn''t show scrollbars if the user move the child window outside the border of the main. If i create a MDI application with my VC++.NET 2003 and i set Scrollbar (H and V) visible = false it showes the scrolls however. How can i avoid this?