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I never slept during school, but I really recommend not doing that

I actually started out learning z80 ASM for the TI calculators. Piece of cake and good for learning about methodizing work. After that, I started looking into PASCAL, which I learned very easily. Then I started into C+= and learned it in about 2 weeks after which I spent (and spend now) most of my time looking into programming theory and ideas for optimizing the games I''ve written. I''m not the genius though, my friend is a god at programming compared to me And he even lets girls interfere with it.

So let that be my contribution. Don''t let girls get in the way of you programming. It''s (almost) never worth it

It''''s coming...

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I started by writing a (very dodgy) calculator to calculate the result of various physics equations with a simple menu while reading "Teach Yourself C++ In 21 Days" I saw on the web.

Apart from that I just read everything I could and experimented making some small programs to reinforce what I had

My 2D game engine

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ouch, missing out on sleep is the most unhealthy thing anyone can advise, personaly i can stay awake on 6h sleep but i''ve always needed 8h sleep to be at peak performance.

Personaly while I was at school (and we are talking early 90s here) I was doing mostly BASIC programming and some Assembler around the age of 15/16 (1995/96) and i never touched C++ until i went to Uni in 1998.
As BillPo says, the trick is to keep your social life alive at the same time, i didnt manage to do that for a number of reasons and while i dont regret the way I grew up it has since caused me a few ''issues'' in the rest of my life which might have been avoided

[engage rant mode]
tbh, threads like this (no offense to the OP btw, this is just a pet rant of mine) are a good sign of whats going wrong with the world, kids being tested to death at school and people worrying about what they want to do after school before they have even cleared 11 years of age in some case :|
Just seems to me that we are pushing people harder and harder, all in search the mythical ''highest standard'' and not worrying about the lack of childhood, the extra stress and the fact that, in all probabilty, this kids are going to burn out at an earlier and earlier age.
[rant mode off]


WRT sleep, thats only you that needs 8h of sleep. People vary widely. Rudy Guliani famously only sleeps three hours a night and Margaret Thatcher only sleeps one hour a night.

WRT school, I agree to some extent. Having constructive hobbies is one of the best things you can do and is often more important than school.

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You learn to cope with lack of sleep. Try to get about 6 hours though. 4 hours can be tough, trust me. I go to sleep around midnight and wake up at 6. It''s not too hard.



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I quitted school.


Judging by your grammar, that is obvious.

By 'in school' do you mean College or High School. I'm in High School, and have always been able to find time to code (since 7th or 8th grade... I started coding RPGCode (www.RpgToolkit.com) in 7th grade :D). Maybe this is because school has always been pretty (read: very) easy for me. Sure, I have a 3.3 GPA, but I don't have to work. Which leaves me free time to either code, play games, or do whatever I feel like doing. Homework is semi-optional, as you will learn. If you do half of your homework and get 98% on your tests, you will end up with a near-88% grade in most classes. Unless you have mean parents, this will suffice. I have never had a need for studying, so I don't really know how time-consuming it is. Coding is just like any other sport, hobby, or whatever. You use all of your free time on it, and shove everything else to the side. Anyone playing a sport will most likely choose the sport over homework. You will eventually start to do the same, but then prevent yourself from doing it. You will start of the school year great, in the middle of the semester have a high C in half of your classes, then finish with a high B or A. That's how it works.

Lack of sleep will hit you whether you are 18 and in school or 29 and working. You WILL stay up until 2 in the morning because you want to find a stupid bug or just got it fixed, and want to continue working. It's like playing addicting (read: Final Fantasy) games... "Just 15 more minutes". Not only this, but once you get into the mood you will realize that somehow, the 15 minutes you have been coding seems to have taken up 2 hours of time for the rest of the world. Caffeine will become your buddy, if it is not already.

[edited by - zackriggle on January 14, 2004 4:26:42 PM]

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yeah im in high school too at a very tough one (or so i like to think) but i still get time for at least 2 hours of programming each school night plus homework, dinner, girls, and 8 hours of sleep. Just be time effiecent and you can do it

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I can''t believe you people waste time on girls

Yah I survived High School on about 3 hours of sleep a night and now I get about 5 a night. The problem with programming is you think you can implement something really fast, it takes forever, and then you have to keep going on with it. There are many times where I thought I was done only to find another problem, fix it, and then start on another problem, fix it, then find a bunch of bugs that I couldn''t think coherently enough to figure out how to fix and went to bed to get a few short hours of sleep. Ah the good old days

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You learn to cope with lack of sleep. Try to get about 6 hours though. 4 hours can be tough, trust me. I go to sleep around midnight and wake up at 6. It''s not too hard.



R.I.P. Mark Osback
Solo Pa Mi Gente
VG-Force


If you don''t deprive yourself of sleep at night, then you can''t enjoy catnaps throughout the day, either. It''s a win-win.



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The trick is to keep your social life going during school and on the weekends. Do your homework right after school (or, if you want to be like I was, don''t), then read about programming and practice programming at all other times. And yeah, definitely skimp on your sleeping.

That''s the beauty of school, you have so much free time, and even when you''re at school you''ve still got a social life going. Now that I''m working life sucks and I only have enough time to either keep my social life going, or do my hobby programming. I have chosen friends over programming. I program at work though, so I''m still in practice, just harder to learn the things I want to learn for myself.

-out


no problem there, I never go out, and as for the free time, my teachers are slavedrivers, so I hardly ever have any time left to open my books and program

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