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soconne    105
I''m trying to render bushes and trees in a terrain game I''m working on and I''m getting really crappy results. I load a bmp file into an array, create an alpha component, and set the alpha to 0 where ever there is white, and 255 elsewhere. I then call: glAlphaFunc(GL_GREATER, 0); glEnable(GL_ALPHA_TEST); But here''s what I get http://cs.selu.edu/~soconnell/images/sample.JPG What I want is something like this taken from the Unreal2 Engine Runtime demo http://cs.selu.edu/~soconnell/images/sample2.JPG How can I get those nice smooth eges on all the leaves like the Unreal2 Engine does? Anybody know of the way they do it? I''ve tried blending using the alpha component and even blending in the white, but I get crappy results. I''d like to get those smoooth edges Unreal2 and many other games get. I don''t think they have to sort the geometry, do they?

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soconne    105
If they are doing a ''gradual'' blend then they would get gradual blend in the picture, but they don''t. They simply have a hard edge.

Has anybody done this themselves?

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OrangyTang    1298
Remember that as well as texture colours being smoothed with bilinear filtering (or whatever) so is your alpha component in the texture. So change to glAlphaFunc(GL_LESS, 0.5), which will generate a smooth edge inbetween the green and white texels. And since you don''t need blending you don''t have to sort them either.

Although you''ll get the white bleeding onto the edges of your leaves then, so loading an image (like .png) where you can create an alpha channel separate from your colours lets you paint the green over the edge to stop that.

If you don''t have anything handy to load pngs then you can load a regular bmp and a greyscale one, then combine them as one texture, taking the greyscale as the alpha intensity.

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_the_phantom_    11250
quote:
Original post by oconnellseanm
If they are doing a ''gradual'' blend then they would get gradual blend in the picture, but they don''t. They simply have a hard edge.



I dare say if you looked hard enuff you''d see a slight blend, maybe only 2 texels or so

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Sander    1332
quote:
Original post by _the_phantom_
quote:
Original post by oconnellseanm
If they are doing a ''gradual'' blend then they would get gradual blend in the picture, but they don''t. They simply have a hard edge.



I dare say if you looked hard enuff you''d see a slight blend, maybe only 2 texels or so


And I dare say that those two texels blending are not the result of drawing the gemoetry blended, but because Unreal2 has some nice FSAA enabled



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FDan    122
i got the same problem some time ago, fixed it with blending, i just REPLACED glAlphaFunc(..) + glEnable(GL_ALPHA_TEST) with this:

glEnable(GL_BLEND);
glBlendFunc(GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA);

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soconne    105
I had also tried that but didn''t get desireable results. You should try calling glAlphaFunc with 0.6 or more for the alpha, it works awsome for me now. All the edges of leaves and bushes look great!

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Fingers_    410
Actually, that U2 shot uses both blending and alphatest, and no FSAA. Look at the spot near the middle of the left edge, where you can see the sandy beach between the leaves. You can clearly see the seam between yellow beach and green grass through the leaf on the left. Also at the bottom left corner some of the closest leaves are obviously translucent (near the edges), especially the dark leaf in the very front with a little hole and a protrusion to the left.

My guess is it''s an artistic choice to make the leaves blend into the background a little while avoiding the "square blur" of non-alphatested blending at the edges. That means the polygons must be sorted.

Blending is also useful if you want to fade out "detail plants" at a distance. Notice there''s no foliage visible on the other side of the river. Perhaps they use alpha to fade things in as you get closer.

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Ysaneya    1383
I hate to say it, but i see absolutely no blending in that U2 shot. That''s a pure binary alpha test.

What you might take as blending is actually the background color (the grass) which happens to be in the same shade of greens than the leaf texture. But there''s absolutely no blending.

Y.

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Fingers_    410
You''re looking in the wrong places. The blending is most obvious when what''s behind is *different* color and texel density/orientation from the leaf and where the alpha gradient isn''t too steep.

If you really can''t see it, open sample2.jpg in photoshop or other paint program and look for example at coordinates (535, 620), (160, 600) and (144, 320) with a magnifier. The alpha looks to be around 0.5 at the alphatest edge.

Btw, this is what half-life does with "masked" textures as well (when running in GL). Other games might too.

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FReY    424
Sorry Fingers_, I''m going to have to agree with the other guys on this.

quote:

You can clearly see the seam between yellow beach and green grass through the leaf on the left.



...look elsewhere on the leaf, you''ll see the same colour without a beach in the background. There is no alpha-blending in that shot.

-FReY

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FReY    424
sean, I don''t think it was quite a war... just a disagreement which ended in lots of bloody bodies and me eating humble pie...

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