What should I learn first? Visual basic? Or straight onto C++?

SavX · 2004-03-01T22:35:01

I''m 15 and new to computer programming. When I''m older I want to get into computer programmer and eventually game design/programming. But where to start? So many different languages, I just don''t know what to do first. As I have had no experience in programming at all, should I start with something simple like Visual Basic? Or go straight onto the most used language C++ and learn that because it''ll be more usefull? Any tips would be great, thanks : ) SavX

Ademan555

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February 28, 2004 06:26 PM

on the speed issue, vb is just an ugly mess of script jammed through a bunch of runtime dlls, it doesnt get compiled, SSLLLOOOWWWW.... ok im done

edit: not meant to start a flame war lol, vb has its merits (business apps for use internally because of the speed of development)
i just dont like it :-D

[edited by - Ademan555 on February 28, 2004 7:29:19 PM]

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cowsarenotevil

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February 28, 2004 06:31 PM

quote:Original post by Ademan555
neurokaotix, tell me, how much true programming theory do you get out of it? it doesnt teach you procedural programming, its just a simple way to create windows apps...

Nonsense. It''s fine for procedural programs, though it''s mostly object-oriented (well, completely). It teaches just as much theory (and, in most cases, just as goot or better theory) than C/C++. It''s not "simple," and you can make games also.

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cowsarenotevil

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February 28, 2004 06:32 PM

quote:Original post by Ademan555
on the speed issue, vb is just an ugly mess of script jammed through a bunch of runtime dlls, it doesnt get compiled, SSLLLOOOWWWW.... ok im done

edit: not meant to start a flame war lol, vb has its merits (business apps for use internally because of the speed of development)
i just dont like it :-D

More utterly wrong information. It''s compiled just fine, nothing to do with scripting, and runtime DLL''s don''t even matter in newer versions.

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Ademan555

361

February 28, 2004 06:43 PM

ummm.... i dont know anything about the "newer" versions of vb, but as far as i know the old ones DID NOT COMPILE they were turned into a visual basic script file, and was attached to a exe, and that exe fed the script through a dll... im pretty damn sure about that...

When General Patton died after World War 2 he went to the gates of Heaven to talk to St. Peter. The first thing he asked is if there were any Marines in heaven. St. Peter told him no, Marines are too rowdy for heaven. He then asked why Patton wanted to know. Patton told him he was sick of the Marines overshadowing the Army because they did more with less and were all hard-core sons of bitches. St. Peter reassured him there were no Marines so Patton went into Heaven. As he was checking out his new home he rounded a corner and saw someone in Marine Dress Blues. He ran back to St. Peter and yelled "You lied to me! There are Marines in heaven!" St. Peter said "Who him? That's just God. He wishes he were a Marine."

cowsarenotevil

3,015

February 28, 2004 06:47 PM

quote:Original post by Ademan555
ummm.... i dont know anything about the "newer" versions of vb, but as far as i know the old ones DID NOT COMPILE they were turned into a visual basic script file, and was attached to a exe, and that exe fed the script through a dll... im pretty damn sure about that...

Loofles! Visual Basic Script? Like for websites? Or do you just mean Visual Basic code, but you use the word "script" to make it sound even worse? Either way, it''s totally, blatantly wrong. All versions of VB were compiled, they just relied on the runtime DLL''s to store some of the very useful features...

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antareus

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February 28, 2004 06:49 PM

Perl and Python are interpreted too, just like VB. Does that mean they shouldn''t exist? Of course not! They serve a niche.

Like I said earlier: leave arguments of how low-level the language is out of this.

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Ademan555

361

February 28, 2004 06:52 PM

i never said that they should exist...

quote of ME:
"edit: not meant to start a flame war lol, vb has its merits (business apps for use internally because of the speed of development)
i just dont like it :-D
"

does that suggest that i dont think it should exist? im gonna say NO, i just said i dont like it

When General Patton died after World War 2 he went to the gates of Heaven to talk to St. Peter. The first thing he asked is if there were any Marines in heaven. St. Peter told him no, Marines are too rowdy for heaven. He then asked why Patton wanted to know. Patton told him he was sick of the Marines overshadowing the Army because they did more with less and were all hard-core sons of bitches. St. Peter reassured him there were no Marines so Patton went into Heaven. As he was checking out his new home he rounded a corner and saw someone in Marine Dress Blues. He ran back to St. Peter and yelled "You lied to me! There are Marines in heaven!" St. Peter said "Who him? That's just God. He wishes he were a Marine."

Anonymous

February 28, 2004 06:53 PM

I started with VB ages ago and taught myself most of what I needed to know. You can write decient games with VB, and if you use something like Direct X to write games (well simple ones) you will find little difference in speed between VB and C++. Having said that I use C++ now and I don''t regret it. If you want to started making a simple game soon use VB, else invest a bit of time and use C++. Also if you get something like the Direct X SDK, you can pick up most of what you need to know about making games with C++ from that.

Good Luck

cowsarenotevil

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February 28, 2004 06:57 PM

VB is not interpreted, whatever either of you say.

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cowsarenotevil

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February 28, 2004 07:04 PM

quote:Original post by antareus
Perl and Python are interpreted too, just like VB. Does that mean they shouldn''t exist? Of course not! They serve a niche.

Perl and Python are entirely different from VB, in that they''re interpreted and VB isn''t, and that VB is much better at GUI''s and has a form developer.

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