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eedok    982
I got another 2 question thread again, the first off is, is there a site which provides in depth reviews of linux distos, preferably with comparitive analysis of other distros as well? And 2nd lesser question, which distro is knoppix based off of(I think debian but not sure which one)? EDIT:might as well put a third question, would it be a good idea to change my distro from mandrake to debian, for just an ordinary everyday linux user? [edited by - eedok on March 29, 2004 1:32:46 AM]

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Null and Void    1088
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I got another 2 question thread again, the first off is, is there a site which provides in depth reviews of linux distos, preferably with comparitive analysis of other distros as well?

DistroWatch.com has a "Reviews and Articles" section. I haven''t read any of them myself.

OSNews sometimes has reviews of new releases too. The quality varies.
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And 2nd lesser question, which distro is knoppix based off of(I think debian but not sure which one)?

It''s a mixture of the Debian repositories. Mostly unstable (Sid) last time I checked.
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EDIT:might as well put a third question, would it be a good idea to change my distro from mandrake to debian, for just an ordinary everyday linux user?

Do you have any complaints with Mandrake? If you''re "just an ordinary everyday linux user" you might not have gone deep enough into the details to notice anything you''d care about. A lot of things Debian does differently from Mandrake aren''t necessarily better or worse, just different; and, hence, are personal opinion issues. If you have specific annoyances you''re looking to cure, on the other hand...

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debaere    122
In answer to the 3rd question. Debian has a history of being harder to install. I haven''t installed the latest releases, but I know the 2.2 install was difficult. Once its installed its a very nice distro.

My rule of thumb is "use whatever is best for you." Even if its Windows. Software is a tool, and the OS is the base for all the other tools. Fill your toolbox with the tools that work best for you. Having said that, if you want to explore, then by all means, just be prepared to be flexible as debian has different install/package tools than Mandrake does.

Cheers
Dave

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C-Junkie    1099
differences from converting from mandrake to debian:

CON: You will lose SOME special purpose configuration things. (any know if debian has a printer setup tool? I didn''t see one...)
CONish: Debian woody is old. Solution: Upgrade to testing immediately after installing. testing works, I''m using it now.

PRO: Debian''s package repository is vast. You''ll find anything you need with apt-get, and not need to install stuff from the project''s website.
PRO: Lots of small things, which add up.

debian gets a bad rap about being hard from its iffy installer. I didn''t have a problem with it, but.. well... I wouldn''t have a problem with an installer that looks like this:

"Install it all yourself you lazy bum."

so try it and ask questions.

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eedok    982
Well I have a reason why I''d like to switch, and the reason is mandrake doesn''t seem to like my hardware(more specificly printer and sound card), and I tried out knoppix and it''s works way better on my computer than mandrake move does.. but knoppix doesn''t come with enough packages, so I''m thinking debian is the answer..

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Null and Void    1088
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any know if debian has a printer setup tool? I didn''t see one...

CUPS has a web-based configuration tool (which is a bit odd, but completely usable and it''s always done the job for me). There''s also gnome-cups-manager; also for CUPS, obviously. KDE likely has something similar (considering that KDE seems to put everything in its central control center application, it may be in there by default; I couldn''t say, as I haven''t checked).

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sbennett    124
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KDE likely has something similar (considering that KDE seems to put everything in its central control center application, it may be in there by default; I couldn''t say, as I haven''t checked).

Yep, it''s in there by default. Control Center -> Peripherals -> Printers.

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I wouldn''t have a problem with an installer that looks like this:

"Install it all yourself you lazy bum."

You mean Gentoo?

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TheRealMAN11    142
It''s been a long time since, I showed my face here... But I say go with debian. Try the new beta3 installer, and also research apt pinning if you want a mix between recent and stable software. You can install knoppix from the cd, but I recommend just installing debian using the new beta installer. www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer


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eedok    982
does the beta installer work with woody? or is there a place to get Sarge images?

EDIT: found the sarge images, 12!! of them, the cdr companies must be laughing from their posts

[edited by - eedok on March 31, 2004 1:18:37 PM]

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Null and Void    1088
If you have a suitable connection, do a net-install. I haven''t tried the new "Debian Installer", but in the old "Boot Floppies" you could tell it what repository to install from when doing a net-install; the capability is likely still there. So, there''s no huge need to get an installer image for specific release if you''re doing a net-install.

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C-Junkie    1099
don''t you dare download those images.

debian should add a giant

CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE FLOPPY DISK IMAGE THAT''LL DO A NET INSTALL FOR YOU.

link someplace...

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eedok    982
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don''t you dare download those images.

debian should add a giant

CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE FLOPPY DISK IMAGE THAT''LL DO A NET INSTALL FOR YOU.

link someplace...

Why do I not download the images? The net install looks like it''ll take forever, and if I screw up the install with the images, I won''t have to redownload later..

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Doc    586
Since you don''t need all 12 discs for your average user install. You probably only need the first couple. Even so, a net install means you only download the packages you need, not the entire repository.

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eedok    982
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Since you don't need all 12 discs for your average user install. You probably only need the first couple. Even so, a net install means you only download the packages you need, not the entire repository.

will it not install faster off of iso's and not have to be restarted if I screw up the install.. Is there anywhere that shows the contents of the CD's so I can see which ones I want?

EDIT: I'm taking the 2dvd option seeing how 2 dvd-r's here cost less than 12 cdr's

[edited by - eedok on March 31, 2004 12:30:02 AM]

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eedok    982
Well I don't have enough hard drive space on my linux partitian to download full DVD (d'oh), and jigdo doesn't allow more than 2GB downloads to windows part, so I went with net install, only it didn't work, first off were the error messages I got through the install,
2 missing kernal modules:
sis900(my sound card, maybe this explains why mandrake doesn't like it)
IDEscsi(Not sure about this)

EDIT:Got the net install to work, but damn after 4 hours of install time, I had to leave to actually get to school.. I'm hoping this is a much better improvement..

[edited by - eedok on April 1, 2004 2:31:10 PM]

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