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How do you explain Black holes? How much code does it take to run the REAL_WORLD.EXE??

How fast is the GPU that renders this material world??

Which AI algorithms were used in making robots called living-beings?

How many classes does the tail class CHuman inherit?

Is every class'' head class either the CProton, CElectron or CNeutron?

How many monitors render this world and what are their specs?

Is the program REAL_WORLD.EXE absolutely bug-free?

What space partitioning was used in rendering the world?

How do you get to the next level in this tough game of REAL WORLD?

Who''s the master mind programmer behind ALL this!!?!?!?

- OldManDave.

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Consider the Tao :

"Imagine every living creature, ectoplasmic and bioplasmic, every life form, every star, black hole and any other aggregate of matter, as well as every though, word, action, feeling, event and interaction that has ever occurred, will ever occur and is occurring right now even as we speak, throughout time and space in every possible dimension for ever and ever, is an animated, integrated working part of one huge mother of a universal mind/consciousness that knows everything, sees everything, creates everything, sustains everything, destroys everything, rebuilds it again and doesn''t give a fuck. That''s not the Tao, the Tao is entirely ineffable, but it''s a damn good pop at an explanantion."

- Barefoot Doctor

Merrick

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In response to ahw,

My post dated " Posted - 1 September, 2000 9:01:31 AM" in this thread, I do suggest including a history but doing so without a god. I followed that up by saying not to use a known god (alah,God,Mohammed, whatever...) and I gave my reasons.

I have taken some information that I was given and stretched it a bit further. Basically, I was told that using a pentagram is taboo. Because all of the meanings behind that shape... now the first argument that came from my mouth (and your going to like it, ahw) was, "The Pentagon in Washington, D.C. is 5 sided!"
Needless to say... I lost my argument (but I still think bad things come out of that 5 sided building). At any rate, the way I see it... If you can''t use a geometric shape because of it''s (historical?) usage/meaning, then you shouldn''t use known gods or religions.

I agree with your point. There are many stories through-out time that would lend themselves to the making of a game. And yes it is a shame to ignore that material. But I''m not going to use if for a game.

For one reason, Controversy.

OK, another reason... because a writer can dream up something just as real and rich as anything that has been documented in the anals of history. We even have a new forum for them



Dave "Dak Lozar" Loeser

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hehe, if you want to see a perfect example of the kind of extremities people can go into because of simple things being turned into esoteric meanings, you would like "the pendulum of Foucault", by umberto ecco.
At some stage during the book, there is an excellent example by one of the protagonists, that can summarized in some words. Basically, people see what they want to see, and there is always a way, as far strecthced as it is, to make things match with each other.
an example ? you give the 5 sides of a pentagon, and the five lines in a pentagram, correct. Another one ? The number of letters of the assassin of A. lincoln is the same than the killer of JFK, as well I think the number of letters of the presidents names are equal, etc.
You can''t imagine the kind of bullshit you can create with a little bit of paranoia.

So my point of view is that if you decide to include known things, argue you case ! Don''t just let people assume things, unless of course you WANT to create controversy and use it as a marketing device.

I just read a nice definition of advertisement : use of psychological means on people for commercial purposes.
Yeah, brain washing, that''s what it comes down to.

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Like the idea that the WWW is the Beast from Revelations?

W is the 23rd letter of the alphabet
2 * 3 = 6
WWW -> 666

The number of the beast ... ooooh ...

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Edited by - morfe on September 9, 2000 11:03:33 PM

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quote:
Original post by OldManDave

How do you explain Black holes? How much code does it take to run the REAL_WORLD.EXE??
- OldManDave.

This will spin you out... Consider the fact that the human brain is "x" big. Now consider the fact that the human mind can incorporate knowledge about blackholes, physics, biology, economics, genology, mathematics and still have space to carry on everyday conversations and arguments. So you tell me, does it really require data or a formula? This shows the power of inovation!



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Our Goal is "Fun"!

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morfe : *EXACTLY* this kind of bullshit
I couldn''t come up with something like when I needed it of course :/

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quote:
Original post by OldManDave

How do you explain Black holes? How much code does it take to run the REAL_WORLD.EXE??



Matter is bytecode. So your answer lies in the amount of matter in the universe.

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How fast is the GPU that renders this material world??



The rendering happens clientside. To better penetrate the market clients are able to choose their level of detail based on what they can evolutionarily afford.

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Which AI algorithms were used in making robots called living-beings?



Genetic algorithms.

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How many classes does the tail class CHuman inherit?



Depends on the technology available to the CHumanRace class.

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Is every class' head class either the CProton, CElectron or CNeutron?



Nope, it's the CPlanck class.

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How many monitors render this world and what are their specs?



Again, this is client side implementation dependent.

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Is the program REAL_WORLD.EXE absolutely bug-free?



I've observed errors, but I think they're being passed off as features.

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What space partitioning was used in rendering the world?



The physics.lib handles most of this.

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How do you get to the next level in this tough game of REAL WORLD?



Regretfully, there is no next level. It's one of those artsy fartsy games with terminal death and no saves.

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Who's the master mind programmer behind ALL this!!?!?!?



Ah, welcome to the wonder of self organizing systems!!!!





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Edited by - Wavinator on September 9, 2000 6:58:23 PM

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In designing religions you guys might find this site useful. It compares different philosophies and gives a fairly easy to read breakdown on many.



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I've always disliked forming a world around a conflict of the gods, especially since all RPG gods are human-like and human-minded. All the writer does is create some more NPC's (lots of laughs when you see a God making dirty jokes) and a cheap plot element.
Yes, runemaster, full of sh*t...
If you look at it more closely, you see you don't really need an active godly intervention in your world. What do you need them?
Upholding moral values? We all know that it is a Good thing to give your bus-seat to an old lady, but I've never seen a thunderbolt burn those who refuse to do that, meaning that we have a sence if what is good and what is bad and it is up to us, not some scary god, to do the right thing.
To grant miracles? Have you seen one? DO you believe in them? If yes, then it's OK, I guess. But I can give you a rational explanation for about everything. (I'm an agnostic, by the way)

So what I do is try to stick to reality. There may actually BE a god, but he doesn't show himself around. Miracles may actually HAPPEN, but there are too discrete for anyone to witness them.
So that's about it, just like today's world: You want to Believe? Go ahead, it's nothing to feel shame about. But don't think a +10 sword will descend from the heavens or your fallen comrade will rise from his grave just because you gave a monk 10gp.
On the other hand, there is always room for religious groups, as yet another political group fighting for more power.

Don't forget, there can be only one God in a RPG: the Dungeon Master...







Hasta la victoria siempre!

Edited by - BigBrother on September 10, 2000 5:28:56 AM

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You're right Big-Brother, I am the only god

[Disclaimer]
I don't want to start any religious war, this what I think, i will not try to impose it on you
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I think, being agnostic too, that gods as seen by the religions are man-made to convey some sort of message. Still, I like it when the lady of the lake gives back to Arthur the nice sword, or when Aphrael makes fun of Sparhawk as he discovers her godness. From the story point of view there are many possibilities independant from what you think. Well, unless you want to assert you beliefs. Still god wars are too often a way of saying this good, this evil, so it only do for pityfull plots.

Some nice Einstein quotes from here

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." -- Albert Einstein

"God doesn't play dice." -- Albert Einstein

"God may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean." -- Albert Einstein

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." --Albert Einstein

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -- Albert Einstein

"What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world." -- Albert Einstein


Edited by - DungeonMaster on September 10, 2000 11:55:15 AM

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d''oh ! I don''t even know how I could forget that one ... look at the way Stargate SG 1 deals with it. I thought that was very interesting.
for those who don''t know, basically, our gods were ''simple'' aliens that need to be hosted by bodies, and that rule on realms just like feodal kings. It happens that Earth has been a sort of battle ground for their struggle for power, hence the various mythologies, gods, etc. (very crude explanation, as the truth is far from being fully explained in the serie itself, but I think that''s the idea )

I guess you could put that in the ''science so advanced it''s magic'' bag ...

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