bobbin -- why, you elitist, socialist Linux/BSD snob ;-)
Truthfully, we have no problems running Win2K on these systems, and no complaints. Everything works, so why introduce a whole new level of complexity (and the vexation of our IT staff) by converting to a different OS?
Stops Java/Web consultants pointing & laughing @ you (like little school girls
I personally have found a lot to love about JBuilder. The foundation version is free, it isn''t a memory hog like Forte and is much more ''familiar'' for Visual C++ users. http://www.inprise.com
------------------------------Gregory PierceDirector, Research & DevelopmentZeniMax Media Incorporated
jbuilder rocks. i tried visual j++, but found that it doesn''t support packages, like from sun, and other companies, but of course, it supports all sorts of microsoft packages and stuff. i use jbuilder, cuz you can add packages in from anywhere and use them. i haven''t been able to find out how to do that with j++.
a2k
------------------General Equation, this is Private Function reporting for duty, sir!a2k
I use JBuilder 3.5 at work and home. JBuilder 3.0 sucks, but 3.5 is wonderful. It runs almost as fast on my laptop, a 550mhz Celeron with 128 mb RAM as it does at work, a dual PII 450 mhz machine with 256 mb of ram.
Chalk another one up to VisualSlick Edit 5. Second choice would be Visual Cafe. Would use JBuilder if I had no funds.
VSlickEdit ----------- - Supports multiple languages, including embedded languages(like java-script in HTML)
- Very fast context tagging (you know..type "object." and all available methods and attributes pop-up. This is my absolute favorite feature in VSlickEdit. Other IDEs are starting to implement this (MS intellisense, VisualCafe) but none work near as well as slick edit. Slickedit''s will even show you the javadoc in the ''popup''.
- *Completely* configurable. Color syntaxing, regular expression usage, beautifier settings....
- Uses whatever JDK you want without hassle. Includes javamake utility, integrated into environment.
VisualCafe ----------- - Buggy, but has a great debugger. - Able to compile natively
VisualAge ------------- - Great if you like SmallTalk (...and IBM''s ideals of what java development should be). - Great if you want a completely contained environment for development (especially with servlets, etc.) - Great debugging facilities - Terrible if you want to develop with a team and use 3rd party source control. (I hate the repository. Others probably love it?)
JBuilder and Forte ---------------------- - Great if you don''t have funding - SLOW. - JBuilder does have some nice features for beans and GUI building...when it works. I haven''t used version 4 yet.
Visual J++ ---------------- - MS way of doing things. Hard to tell if you are doing something that will only work with J++. - Major downer is that J++ has very uncertain future.
Text Editor ------------- - Sure it works...but why would you use it if you had a good IDE like SlickEdit(w/ funding) or JBuilder(wo/funding)? Color syntaxing alone is worth it to me.
a2k, you can get J++ to recognize and build with other packages by putting them in your systems classpath. Visual J++ will then be able to find an building with them. I used Visual J++ successfully for a long time before moving over to Forte. In all the time I used J++ I never had any real problems being able to get around some of the proprietary stuff. When in doubt, remove anything that has com.ms in it and use the java or javax equivalent. Eventually I needed more debugging support than J++ could provide so I moved on. Forte is just way too bloated for me to use on a daily basis so I picked up JBuilder Foundation 3.5 (which was great). When JBuilder 4 came out I was all over that and haven''t turned back.
------------------------------Gregory PierceDirector, Research & DevelopmentZeniMax Media Incorporated
where can i get jbuilder4? how much is it? me and senior project team will be doing some webdevelopment with j2ee. can jbuilder4 handle it? i''m totally new to java, so please understand that. =) we''re planning to use ejb, jdbc, and stuff, or, er. whatever. i probably don''t know what i''m talking about. any java experts out there?
a2k
------------------General Equation, this is Private Function reporting for duty, sir!a2k
I think you can download JBuilder Foundation for free at Borland''s website. I''m not sure how much functionality the foundation edition has because I''ve never used it, although I''m sure it will do all the basics. JBuilder enterprise edition can do all that stuff you talked about, but it costs a few thousand dollars. I''d recommend trying out foundation and see if it can do everything you need.
