Shaders, Opengl 2.0 questions
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Hi,
I have a few questions about shaders and graphic cards, so here we go:
1) Compatibility question:
I have a geforce3 ti200, I know it has Vertex Shader.
But does it has hardware supported Pixel Shaders?
I would say yes (see Nvidia Chameleon demo), but I don't find any GL_ARB_fragment_program in the delphi3d.net hardware specs for my card. So theoretically It would not be possible to make usual Pixel Shaders, am I wrong?
2) Opengl 2.0 question
How do you know if a graphic card is compatible with opengl2.0? Which ones are compatible? Is it a matter of GL_ARB extensions? If yes, then which extensions says that the card is OGL2.0 compatible? Any URL?
3) Which graphic card would you choose for hardware Opengl 2.0 shaders programming?
Thanks in advance!
1) it probably uses NV's shader interface to do the shading, you'll want to look for those extensions
2) It will probably be compatible with large chunks of it, but certainly not the GLSL spec (well, you might get vertex shader support)
3) Probably a NV 6800GT, but that would kinda be dependant on NV sorting out their drivers to support reading of textures in a vertex program and looping/branching in the fragment programs
2) It will probably be compatible with large chunks of it, but certainly not the GLSL spec (well, you might get vertex shader support)
3) Probably a NV 6800GT, but that would kinda be dependant on NV sorting out their drivers to support reading of textures in a vertex program and looping/branching in the fragment programs
1/ the gf3 has limited pixelshaders
see here http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2195&p=3
basically (as far as nvidia goes) u need at least a gffx to do fragment programs but even these are limitted eg they cant do branching, the new radeons + gf6800 + 3dlabs cards can
see here http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2195&p=3
basically (as far as nvidia goes) u need at least a gffx to do fragment programs but even these are limitted eg they cant do branching, the new radeons + gf6800 + 3dlabs cards can
The new radeons can't branch in the pixel shader. They can use the old "compute both results and pick the relevant one" type of branching but the old radeons could do that as well.
>>The new radeons can't branch in the pixel shader.<<
i dont have a radeon (only gffx) but i was under the impression from a piece at humus's webpage from a few months ago that the new radeons could do proper branching in the shaders
i dont have a radeon (only gffx) but i was under the impression from a piece at humus's webpage from a few months ago that the new radeons could do proper branching in the shaders
I don't seem to have any problem with branching in GLSL with the 66.81 beta drivers (on a 6800GT), although it doesn't work with the latest "official" drivers on NVIDIA's site. (Side note, branching also worked on my Radeon 9500 Pro with Catalyst 3.7., but of course I don't know what the GLSL compiler was doing uder the hood.)
I'm pretty sure vertex texture reads work fine on 6800/66.81 too (but I gotta double check that when I get home.)
(Side question: Anyone know if the Radeon X-series can do vertex texture reads?)
I'm pretty sure vertex texture reads work fine on 6800/66.81 too (but I gotta double check that when I get home.)
(Side question: Anyone know if the Radeon X-series can do vertex texture reads?)
no current ATI card can do texture reads in a vertex program, i'm betting the next one will be able to (R500).
hi there. well,i have a radeon 9600 pro and it is supporting opengl 2.0. the idea is simple how to know: just check the extensions that have been promoted to core features in opengl 2.0 specification, as new features from opengl 1.5. than check your opengl extension strings and see if the new features(extensions) are in your extension string. for shading there must be extensions like "shader objects" "vertex shader" and "fragment shader". these are core features just in 2.0 version and are meant to be used with GLSL.
Quote:Original post by lancekt
(Side note, branching also worked on my Radeon 9500 Pro with Catalyst 3.7., but of course I don't know what the GLSL compiler was doing uder the hood.)
Remember that
bool testresult;float val1 = 1;float val2 = 2;float valout;if(testresult) valout = val1;else valout = val2;Can be done as
bool test;float val1 = 1;float val2 = 2;float valout = ((float)test)*val1 + (1-(float)test)*val2;Along with various other crazy stuff to fake looping and branching.
[Edited by - joanusdmentia on October 7, 2004 7:06:35 PM]
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