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OK, so humans DO share the same universal knowledge of the world that surrounds them, and can palliate (hope that is right) lack of meaning of a word with gesture and correlate this to meaning in words. As far as I am concerned, it would require your basic AI sensory entries to be able to do that and understand sarcasm or irony. It is all very well that one is able to understand from the tone ones use where the sentence is leading and what aim it has. But without that tone identification, voice recognition (which is far from perfect right now with just one user), pattern recognition, the lot would be lost to use.
Imagine trying to figure out a way to explain what is a "schmorgaborst" or a "rudder". find a way around words with your hands in order to get understood by someone who does not speak your tongue. now you've got an insight of the level of difficulty to get understood by someone. And NOW, think of a way of doing that WITHOUT YOUR HANDS, and without using words you would need to define later in order to be understood. Are you finding this difficult yet? Wait till I ask you to do this in the language of the person you are standing in front. I am French. Try to EXPLAIN in French what a "barter" is without resorting to translation nor to gesture, since the word would probably be alien to me in french. Getting a grasp on it yet? OK! here comes the best part. Now do it in C#. If this one does NOT suit your taste, (and I can understand why) then do it in HTML, in Basic, in Java, in anything as long as your machine does not only stocks the information but also recognizes it as not being the primary input. Tell it what is a Hot-Dog, what is a seller, and show it a picture of Wall Street at lunch time. Can it recognize and point to a Hot-Dog seller? If it can, you got me there. Try showing it different pictures of different races of dogs always telling it they are dogs in the first place, and giving it their races names as subclasses. Try to have it tell you a definition of dog. Try to have it correlate that answer with our previous Hot-Dog without being utterly wrong. Once again, if you can do that, the rest is probably a walk in the park...
Maybe not at night, though...

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OK, so humans DO share the same universal knowledge of the world that surrounds them, and can palliate (hope that is right) lack of meaning of a word with gesture and correlate this to meaning in words. As far as I am concerned, it would require your basic AI sensory entries to be able to do that and understand sarcasm or irony. It is all very well that one is able to understand from the tone ones use where the sentence is leading and what aim it has. But without that tone identification, voice recognition (which is far from perfect right now with just one user), pattern recognition, the lot would be lost to use.
Imagine trying to figure out a way to explain what is a "schmorgaborst" or a "rudder". find a way around words with your hands in order to get understood by someone who does not speak your tongue. now you've got an insight of the level of difficulty to get understood by someone. And NOW, think of a way of doing that WITHOUT YOUR HANDS, and without using words you would need to define later in order to be understood. Are you finding this difficult yet? Wait till I ask you to do this in the language of the person you are standing in front. I am French. Try to EXPLAIN in French what a "barter" is without resorting to translation nor to gesture, since the word would probably be alien to me in french. Getting a grasp on it yet? OK! here comes the best part. Now do it in C#. If this one does NOT suit your taste, (and I can understand why) then do it in HTML, in Basic, in Java, in anything as long as your machine does not only stocks the information but also recognizes it as not being the primary input. Tell it what is a Hot-Dog, what is a seller, and show it a picture of Wall Street at lunch time. Can it recognize and point to a Hot-Dog seller? If it can, you got me there. Try showing it different pictures of different races of dogs always telling it they are dogs in the first place, and giving it their races names as subclasses. Try to have it tell you a definition of dog. Try to have it correlate that answer with our previous Hot-Dog without being utterly wrong. Once again, if you can do that, the rest is probably a walk in the park...
Maybe not at night, though...

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That's why i think the fact we ARE the programmers of AI helps us in that we can make a different, suitable interface to compensate?

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What if anything, is stopping us from making 'axomic' consepts which the ai understands? For eg. x IS y, x is NEAR y, x LIKES y, x DISLIKES y, x ISMEMBER y, x HASPROPERTY y, X ISVALUABLE ....

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What if anything, is stopping us from making 'axomic' consepts which the ai understands? For eg. x IS y, x is NEAR y, x LIKES y, x DISLIKES y, x ISMEMBER y, x HASPROPERTY y, X ISVALUABLE ....

the fact that you can come up with as many elements that fit those relationships as you can come up with relationships themselves, thus (with general AI in mind) you'll always run short on relationships.

Btw someone mentioned fussy logic, and that just cracks me up XD
(fussy : Easily upset; given to bouts of ill temper)
No one likes a fussy AI =)

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I was thinking of a handful of atomic relationships, from which we can build a full bredth of relationships.

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