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What does who think is most perfectly written, and why? For me: -C.J. Cherryh''s _Cyteen_ -Orson Scott Card''s _Ender''s Game_ -?''s play _The Lion in Winter_ I venture to label these ''perfect'' pieces of writing because in addition to having no technical flaws they all have vivid characters, high emotions, dramatic plots, and solid, interesting world-building.

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Anything Fiest! The whole damn lot of them... Lots of depth and originality in story

LOTR... has some strange properties for the 3 books separation
Book I: All history, no feeling...
Book II: Bit of history, a little more feeling...
Book III: Relatively NO history, lots of feeling...

Anyone else notice that? I didn''t like Book I because it didn''t seem to have any emotion behind the writing, but I liked II and III. Anyone else feel the same?

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The Death Gate Cycle
it is a collection of 7 books written by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. These are the best books that I have ever read. If you have read these books, let me know what you think of them. When you start on the first one, it is a little difficult to get into. But about half way through the first book, the action picks up, and by the end of the first book, you will HAVE to read the rest of the series as fast as you can get your hands on them.
And the ending will completely blow you away.......


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Katherine Kerr''s books as well I think... Great working on the Celtic mythology . Even includes Loch Ness monsters (to a lesser degree when you get to Cerr Cawnen - a place with some similarities to loch ness )

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Yes ncsu, the Death Gate cycle is excellent! I might like the same authors'' original Dragonlance novels (Chronicles and Legends trilogies? It''s been awhile) even better, though it''s a close call.

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Ironblayde, did you read all 7 ?
I loved the end of it when Haplo''s lord finally realized what was going on and sacrificd himself. Lord Xar was it ? I dont quite remember. But Alfred being all bumbling throughout the whole thing could have been left out.

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arg ! don''t post spoilers about the end of books

Some of my fav were MacCaffery''s ''political sci-fi''s'' - the doona trilogy, the power trilogy (perhaps even the master harper trilogy ?)

and then there''s kim stanley robinsons mars trilogy.
mmm. trilogies are good. you (usually) cant fit a whole, decent story in one book.

all of those have HEAPS of inter-character relations, and let you know all the history and current events you need. brilliant.

The death gate cycle was VERY good.perhaps 7 books was a tad too many tho

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Can''t fit a decent story in one book? MAGICIAN - (Raymond E. Fiest). That may have more books, but it is a DEFINING story... It rocks!

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Neither Feist''s MAGICIAN or Final Fantasy 7 are *that* good. In fact both bored me.

MAGICIAN is so trivial that it is litirally a Tolkien rip off. It is filled with boring travelling descriptions interspaced with a few good dialogue and some exciting drama. It has good parts, but it certainly also have bad parts. The Dragonlance Legends trilogy is much better.

My suggestion for a perfect work is Clive Barker''s Weaveworld. I am a big Clive Barker fan and has read almost all his work. That man is a true geneous. For those that do not know him he wropte the books behind the Hellraiser and Nightbreed movies.

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Speaker for the Dead --- Orson Scott Card
Stranger in a Strange Land --- Heinlein
Those two books are perfect...purely magical.



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Personally, felonius, I thought that Magician had absolutely nothing in common to Tolkien. The histories that were told were done so in an inovative and exciting fashion. As for the ''boring travel details'' I thought that it was the character of the novel and the setting of the scene. I thought that the feeling and depth in the novel actually brought out a human quality. Maybe you didn''t read the revised edition, but I did... And I did and still do think that it rocks. I have read it twice (halfway through Silverthorn the second time).

I think it all comes down to personal preference though, just like everything else.

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Stranger in a Strange Land --- Heinlein


Hmph, I was just going to mention that.

Fahrenheit 451 is also excellent.

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Melanie Rawn comes to mind from some of my younger fantasy reading days... I really need to get the whold lot of that trilogy

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I just have to say that the Elenium by David (& Leigh) Eddings
is my favourite set of books. As always, he has an interesting
take on magic & religion, and there is a very nice bit of
politics thrown in there too. Of course, one could argue that
his works are too formulaic, but formula makes me all warm
inside...

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All the Ghost Stories by M.R. James.
Tolkien, each and every book.
H.P. Lovecraft, nearly every story.
Shakespeare.

The Death Gate Cycle is alright, a bit mediocre in the originality department, and stereotypical.



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The Gap Series and the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant by Stephen Donaldson.He uses language to the most and his characters are the deepest I''ve ever seen.His books are far more than ''just sc-fi/just fantasy'', they range on philosophy.I just have to say this :
"This Day All Gods Die"

Carl Sagan''s books.

And also pretty much anything by Isaac Asimov.His books have influenced my way of seeing the world very much, even if it sounds weird to you.

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Lovecraft?!?

How can you say that Lovecrafts books/stories are perfectly written?

I can agree that they have some original ideas (hence the popularity of Cthulhu), but well written? No.
They are written in something that goes to great length to seem authentic but fails nonetheless and it seems very unpersonal and undramatic.

And Tolkien,

Tolkien might be the inventor of a new genre, but when you compare his works with later works in the fantasy genre his books generally lack behind. There is too long travelling descriptions and long chapter with no real content. The Hobbit is quite a trivial story (original for its time but not anymore) so it can hardly be called a "perfect book". And Lord of the Rings has many boring sections. Take for instance the chapters in the forests of the Ents.

Ok, I am doing some ranting here, but I think that some works a good for their ideas but a generally overrated for the literary qualities, ie. how well they are written.

And while I am at it Fahrenheit 451 is actually quite poorly written too in my humble opinion. Interesting story, though.

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Again fel, I have to disagree.. I liked the Ent-forest. But all up, Tolkien doesn''t cut the grade, unless just for ''The return of the king'' and maybe the ''two towers''.. otherwise, the first book sux too much to be counted in this list...

Which is why I say that it is everybodies opinions

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The Dark Tower series By Stephen King. Very awesome, Very incredible story and universe. If any of you are wondering, they are NOT horror books. they are Fantasy/Fiction. very very good.

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Sara Douglas - BattleAxe.. From the Axis trilogy
probably more from that trilogy, but I haven''t read them yet.

RED DWARF! Comedy writen to its best

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I don''t know whether I''d call them perfect, but I don''t think I''ve ever been so enthralled in a series as I was in the Amber chronicles by Roger Zelazny.

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And while I am at it Fahrenheit 451 is actually quite poorly written too in my humble opinion. Interesting story, though.


It used very interesting terms for various gadgets and other things. I can''t give any examples, because I read the Finnish translation (usually I read books in the original language if I can).

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quote:
Original post by felonius

Tolkien might be the inventor of a new genre, but when you compare his works with later works in the fantasy genre his books generally lack behind. There is too long travelling descriptions and long chapter with no real content. The Hobbit is quite a trivial story (original for its time but not anymore) so it can hardly be called a "perfect book". And Lord of the Rings has many boring sections. Take for instance the chapters in the forests of the Ents.



The hobbit is actually a children''s book, and begins as a trivial story. Yet, at the end it becomes much more than that, which is why I like it. The style of writing accomodates the growth of the main character, Bilbo, throughout the length of the book. I haven''t seen many other writers that do this.

The long traveling descriptions are good, in my opinion. Tolkien is the only author that has managed to create a living, breathing, consistent and complete world in just a few chapters. For the genre, that certainly doesn''t count as "no content" to me. I LOVED the ent forest.
What I do not like is the rambling kind of fantasy. Something awesome and new happens every chapter. YAWN! That''s pulp to me. I don''t find it enjoyable or realistic to read about ever more incredible situations. It''s desensitizing.
The end of the Lord of the Rings is magnificent. It doesn''t end in a magnificent final battle where good overcomes evil. Not really. It ends in the weakness of Frodo, and the overpowering evil within Gollum that accidentally destroys the ring, saving the world from Sauron. The heroism is that two small people managed to get all the way there, and got lucky.


Anyway, another book that certainly classifies as perfect writing to me:
Anne Rice''s Interview with the Vampire.



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My perfect books would have to be JJR Tolkens books (Havn''t read all of the yet) and all of Neil Stephenson books. Neils books just feel real, the characters are real. The best part is their written in the kind of language that you use when talking to friends over a couple of bears. Real nice and easy to read.

With Tolkien, the language is flowery as all let out but you can see through it all and see what the characters are on about. Also the stories aren''t about great adventures with super happy scooby doo endings. Even the Hobbit though it is a childs story, the "heroes" are modivated by greed not honour or the search for a weapon of mass destruction with which to slay the enemy.

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