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Hi everyone. I am considering attending Full Sail for the game design program soon and I was wondering if anyone had information about if their equipment (computers, mixers, etc. ) was going to be updated any time soon. It seems it may be a little outdated by now.

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Sorry, I don't have information on me, but if you write them or send them an email, they will be more than happy to tell you everything that they use and are interested in. When I had shown interest with them a few years back, I just got loads of information, so they are very generous! Just tell them what you are interested in [wink]

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I live near fullsail and I have heard good things from the students that attend there. they have 24 hour class schedule so you could have class at litterally any time. I believe ulitmately what makes someone successfull is not what school he or she attends, rather it is that person which makes a difference.

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I am currently attending Full Sail. I have been here for four months now. As far as specs go for Game Development you get your own laptop. From what I hear is that they get upgrades every four or five months. The ones we got were HP 2GZ 512MB Ram and it’s also widescreen. Plus a copy of Visual Studio .Net and MS Office

As for other aspects of the school I can only say great things about the school. I’m currently 23 years old and before coming to Full Sail I was a Computer Science student at Florida State University. Without going on a fifty page tirade about school let me just tell you that Full Sail has been more then I expected.

Hope this helps

Anyone feel free to email me at dean@jandrew.net

Thanks

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The school itself looks awesome.

What worries me is that there is no mandatory GPA, or SAT requirement to get in (or at least the website makes it appear that way). Does this mean that the school could be equated to a junior college?

How is it possible that you can earn a BS degree in only 21 months?

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i go to full sail..they update the machines every two months or so, what you get will not be outdated by any means and you can fully purchase it at the end of your schooling for a hundred bucks...

there is no GPA or SAT requirement...only HS diploma or equivelant. This does not mean its easy or any less a college. No the credits do not transfer as no one offers the same type of degree as full sail offers. This does not mean any employers take you less seriously or that its harder to acquire a job. IN fact the interest in full sail is growing steadily and the game design program has one of the highest placement rates of the school...

BS is achieved in 21 months...yes...HOW!? Ill tell you...I dont go to class three days a wekk for 2 hrs a day like normal colleges...i go for 5-6 days a week for a minimum of 8 hrs a day...attendance in full sail is strict....regular colleges you can skip classes...pass the final...and pass the class.....WRONG...in full sail you must atend 90% of your classes or you fail instantly...it is a harder school than you think...if youre not ready..dont go...it is a good school regarldess of the jive the failures spit at you on other forums or on hate sites...they couldnt hack it or didnt apply themslves to finding a job and thought full sail would gift wrap it for them....any other questions?

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there is no GPA or SAT requirement...only HS diploma or equivelant. This does not mean its easy or any less a college. No the credits do not transfer as no one offers the same type of degree as full sail offers. This does not mean any employers take you less seriously or that its harder to acquire a job. IN fact the interest in full sail is growing steadily and the game design program has one of the highest placement rates of the school...


Well this is certianly wrong. UAT in Arizona offers credits that *could* transfer (it depends on the college, i.e., programming credits should transfer) and it offers a similar degree. Actually, they offer two degrees: one in Game Programming and one in Game Design. I've heard a lot of problems with people getting a job out of Full Sail--most of the people who do get jobs are because of things they do in their free time (i.e. mods, games, etc) and not from their degree at all.

The only beef I have with Full Sail is the problems I've heard about people getting jobs, and the fact that they lie about their stats of graduates. They claim (to my face, at a college seminar) that 80 percent of graduates get jobs directly out of college--what they don't tell you though is that Mc Donald's and Burger King qualify as jobs in their case study. The SAT scores are a bit of a moot topic, UAT has a minimum SAT score but they will waive it if you offer some sort of prior experience.

I'm currently going for a B.S. degree in Computer Science, and I will most likely attend Guildhall @ SMU when I'm done with my degree program (if I think I still need to). I believe you'll learn more about programming (what I want to focus on) at a college designed for it and not something designed for a specific area of it. I'm hoping (in the fall) to transfer to Drexel University in Philadelphia who has good program for both Software Engineering and Computer Science.

The choice is up to you though. I took the *real* degree approach because I wanted to have the experience in programming and not just game programming. Most companies want some sort of prior programming work experience, and a Computer Science degree will get you that prior job experience. But, like I said, ultimately it is up to you. The industry is a hard place to get into, but it is an even harder place to stay into. You always need something to fall back on.

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consequently...full sail has a 'real' degree...and learn more than game coding? Ive learned about embedded systems, netowrking, databasing, tools programming, so you cant realy say what you will and will not learn at full sail(or any school) if you havent gone there. In fact a friend of mine just got a job recently at a medical databasing company...

you are right...it is up to you...but as I said you could go to MIT and lose a job to a community college grad because he spent all his time programming and learing on his own and you.........didnt...so it has no real pull which type of degree you have ro what school you attended and many an employer will back me on this....no one cares if you are a harvard grad with two masters...if you cant do what it is they want you to do how they want it done...you are worth less than nothing to them...its all about what you CAN do and show them...not where you schooled or what type of degree you have....IMHO

full sail does have a high placement rate...of people who work with them and do their part to get a real job....full sail doesnt try and get you placed at mcdonalds...you go to mcdonalds because you slacked off in school and cheated or whatever to pass and now you grduated and you suck cause you are a loser.....and want stuff handed to you....

In all....i will repeat yet again...its not where you go to school....everything boils down to you and your desire...you eagerness to learn when your buddy is playing wow all weekend...youre need to jump ahead 5 chapters in your c++ primer and do some data structures when youre class is still learning how to write a for loop....im not pushing full sail by any means...dont get me wrong im no car salesman....you are the only real factor in your future...plain and simple

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consequently...full sail has a 'real' degree...and learn more than game coding? Ive learned about embedded systems, netowrking, databasing, tools programming, so you cant realy say what you will and will not learn at full sail(or any school) if you havent gone there. In fact a friend of mine just got a job recently at a medical databasing company...


I'm sorry, but if it doesn't trasnfer, and it isn't a common degree--then it is not a real degree. You can't extend this degree and get a Masters, or Doctorate. I never said anything about MIT, but they would definately be a better choice than Full Sail. If you have the chance (and money) to go to MIT, then you better be going there. All you have is your degree at first, especially with the first job you get, after that is when people start looking at your previous experience. Your degree absolutely does matter.

Of course Full Sail doesn't try to get you placed at Mc Donalds, but their case study and all the statistics they through out about after college job include Mc Donalds and Burger King. Ask them. I have, and this is the main reason why I didn't go to Full Sail. Not everyone that graduates out of Full Sail is going to get a job, just like not everyone that graduates out of a real college is going to get a job (in their industry). Where ever you go you're going to need to work at it, but its going to be the portfolio that you put together not what Full Sail teaches you that is going to land you that job.

IMO if you're jacking all that money out for Full Sail, you should damn well know C++ like the back of your hand before you go there. There should not be any question about that. You're going to need to work wherever you go, but it is my suggestion that you go to a real college and not a technology prep school (or whatever you wish to call it). Full Sail is basically just a Lincoln Institute for Game Design.

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well everyone is entitled to their opinion...

just as an offhand thought...schools like full sail are becoming increasingly popular...we commonly have game companies check out our final project presentations at the Enzian theatre, such as EA and the likes...we have guest speakers from all over the game industry who love full sail and are big names, such as The Fat Man, I'd name more but youll have to come to our lobby and check ou the signitures yourself I cant remember all of them...

sure MIT is better, go ahead and apply and good luck to you...Full Sail offers a Game Design and Development degree...so if you were looking for more generalized teachings beyond that of gamning....you obviouslt werent thinking straight....thats all we do here as stated by the degree....and we do it well...

if you want a general com sci degree i agree with you...go to MIT for the love of god do it...RIT in NY or something....but if you are looking for game design education...a school based on it is the place to go...but lok for more schools like full sail to pop up in the future and become big, if you dont think so...well...i guess we'll see....*shrug* in the end its up to you not your degree anyway...

and as for the post on employers not selecting based on skill...that was a joke right? who is going to spend millions of dollars on a project and hire a degree and not hire the skill....dont make me laugh...if you hire a masters with less skills than a BS grad....youre a tool and I dont want to work for you....because you clearly make poor decisions....

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I was part of the first bachelors class to graduate Fullsail. The placement department doesn't do much work for you. You are added to a mailing list that frequent job postings get put on. If you do the legwork and work on a better relationship with your placement advisor and show him your motivations and skills, it's not hard to get up at the top of their list of people they consider first for new positions. Consider placement an alternate stream of contacts to send your resume to, and with the good relationship, possibly a little more. I'm now happily working for a game/simulation company in Virginia, due mostly to my hard work in job hunting, and networking with instructors that ended up going back into industry work.

Fullsail is for a different type of person. I enjoy the no nonsense, get to what matters approach, without all the fluff of many normal universities. But just like any school, you have to work your ass off. No school is going to guarantee you a job. In the end it's what you are capable of, and the effort you put forth toward getting a job. You need to send resumes and cover letters out starting a couple months before you graduate. You will have to take programming tests, interview with the game company, most likely be drilled with fairly complex questions by the developers in on-site interviews. Any respectable company isn't going to hire you based on degree alone.

I'm not worried about credits transferring around. I like the idea that in the future I can go back to Fullsail and audit classes to refresh or bring me up to date on the many different topics that are covered.

There are horror stories about Fullsail, especially from some of the other degrees like recording arts, there the number of slackers expecting a free job is much higher. The same people exist in every program. They piss away their time during school, doing the bare minimum, they don't do jack around graduation, then they are pissed off because placement didn't find them a job.

Is Fullsail expensive? Yes. Is Fullsail worth it? If you are ready to work your ass off and you like the more focused curriculum, yes. If you are looking for a vacation from parents in sunny florida, then no.

Just my 2c, YMMV
J

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Full Sail has money. Of course people are interested in going there to talk - most likely because Full Sail seeks them out and says hey, we'll give you a lump of money if you come talk to our students, and endorse our school. Strictly speculation, but when you have money, you can do whatever you want, and make yourself look like whatever you want :)

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I went to full sail and had no problem getting a job(although I'm not in the gaming business, I currently work for Architects developing Real-Time stuff, as well as plugins for their 3d applications). There is a stigma attached to the degree there, this is without a doubt. But in all reality, after a year of going to that school I have become a very proficient programmer. I did have a couple years of college experiance before I went, however.

I chose to go there because it's a very hardcore schedule, you eat, sleep, and crap code for 14 months. Its difficult for me to stay focused at regular "real" colleges. The only thing that is a downside is that we don't learn as much of the computer science aspect (certain algorithms and other stuff that isn't really used much in the gaming world, but would still be nice to know). But you will become proficient with c / c++, a few APIs (openGL, DirectX, Win32, MFC) and one class lets you work on PS2 Linux boxes. The most importatnt thing I walked away with was the ability to learn new things quickly, and that the biggest part of being a programmer, of any field, is "to read, read code, and code", to quote one of my teachers from there.

Overall I enjoyed my stay there, it was well suited for *MY* needs. Just research all the options and follow your gut. But I will warn you, there are colleges out there who's Comp Sci programs are a JOKE. A friend of mine who was attending FSU (down the street from Full Sail) was in his third year of a comp sci degree and needed my help with basic file I/O crap. They were still doing basic "Enter a number: " bs programs that are better suited for a first year student. So just do your research...even pricy "real" colleges are not the answer for everyone.

As for equipment, they are pretty good at keeping their equipment up to date. If you go into the gaming program you will be issued a nice laptop. They change every year or so. I'm not sure what the specs are on the new ones. As for the other programs, I'm pretty sure they are pretty well suited too, although I did hear some complaints from the Animation students about some things.

hth
moe.ron

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moeron I think you mean UCF is down the street from Full Sail. FSU is in Tallahassee :) I got you.

OK from someone who went to Tallahassee Community College for 2 years. Then went to Florida State and was on the Dean's list for 2 years. Now I am at Full Sail getting my "real/fake/whatever" degree I have a few notes to people with open minds.

You will not learn how to program in a 4 year college!

If you go to a 4 year college you will need to work outside of class a bunch to get what you need to know. Nothing is wrong with this I was programming before I got to high school so I felt college went really slow for the first two years. When I got to FSU and took some upper level 3000, 4000 classes I found the theory nice but by no means did you have to be a great coder to pass.

Another problem at Florida State was finding professors who cared about what you wanted to learn. I wanted to learn Win32 Apps, MFC and DirectX. Good luck finding anyone who can and will teach such basic things used in the industry.

The difference at Full Sail is that teaching is focused on working on products and projects. Most days you spend 4 to 8 hours behind a compiler.

There is a place for both types of education.

Hope this helps calm the flames :)

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Employers? Hiring based on actual skill?


I do interviewing/screening for hiring. I can assure you, we screen for real skills. The skills we look for are, in order:

- real coding skills
- computer science skills
- quality skills
- teamwork skills

In theory, you can pass without any kind of degree or real education. In reality, a real CS degree (ideally MSCS), a healthy involvement in some side project, and a good attitude towards life and other people are good predictors for success.

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moeron I think you mean UCF is down the street from Full Sail. FSU is in Tallahassee :) I got you.


Thats right, UCF =) Its been a while =)

moe.ron

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Employers? Hiring based on actual skill?


I do interviewing/screening for hiring. I can assure you, we screen for real skills. The skills we look for are, in order:

- real coding skills
- computer science skills
- quality skills
- teamwork skills


thats unusual for an employer isnt it? teamwork tends to be at the top especially in game development...not that I dont believe you because every company is different...but I have een told its more like this...

- teamwork skills
- passion to create/play games
- skillsets(coding/art)

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I can basically sum up the responses you're going to get from most people about Full Sail:

Those who failed/didn't do well tend to say the school is aweful and blames it for their inability to finish or get a job.

Those who do well and find jobs afterwards will tell you the school is amazing.

Personally, from what I have seen, I don't think their is a better school out their for people who want to get into game programming. It was probably one of the best times of my life, and I'd jump at the chance to go back for my BS (I was there before they offered a BS).

The only downfall is the price, which is going to take me about 15 years to pay off! But honestly, it's allowed me to move all over the continent, doing what I love, so I can't really put a price on that.

Matt Hughson

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