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OpenGL cg Vertex Shader and multiple objects

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SKerner    122
I hope this is the right forum for my problem. If not, please redirect me. I'm trying add a wind animation to an OpenGL tree model. I figured out, the best way would be to use cg vertex shader. The problem is, the tree does not consist out of one mesh, but is constucted using cylinder shaped objects for each branch. I move recursively through my tree object, draw each tree and coordinate system with glRotate and glTranslate and draw the next part. This works really fine for static trees. But if I apply a simple Vertexshader to bend the branches, the next branch is not longer connected to the previous one, cause the shader does not transform glRotate and glTranslate. This tears my branches apart. How can I animate serveral connected objects via vertex shading without losing the connection? Do I need to transform my tree in one mesh, or is there a way to do this in different coordinate systems?

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nihilisticod    204
It does seem like you need to update the modelproj matrix after every transformation so that the shader is ready to handle the new subtree. It's strange that its still not working.

That is unfortunate. If you are really rotating and translating each branch between rendering calls then its going to be tough and a lot of calls to update the matrix. If the tree had one coordinate system with every polygon relative to that, then you could simply apply a shader that skews the trees position proprortionally to height of a vertex sqared. I've done something like that with a flagpole and it gives a nice looking bend as long as you keep it subtle. I sent a vector with the wind velocity in tree-space and a float that defined the trees "flexibility". That doesnt really answer your question though, now does it. sorry.

just try to send a new modelproj matrix to the shader every time you have made changes to the modelview matrix.

EDIT: I wrote that before i saw your next post.

What exactly is your shader doing?

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SKerner    122
I transformed every vertex in the same basic coordinate system. Now I can draw the whole tree without using glRotate and can use the same Vertex Shader on every vertex.
But the problem is, to model the invuences in the shader. If a shader alters the vertices of a branch it must also do the chances for every branch conntected to this one.
Anyone has an idea for the actual shader or has done something like this before?

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skow    248
I have tried something like this and really wasn’t happy with the results I was getting and gave up.

The wind movement was based off the vertex location and a hierarchical number. This number served as a “offset” for my sin based movement. All object ends touching an object had the same number; the other end would be higher. All the other ends had a higher number. And I would interpolate between the 2 when an object touched it part of the way up.

With all the effort to do this there were small problems still, and I figured animating the model would have faster and better looking results.

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SKerner    122
That do you mean by 'animating the model'?
Do you mean windmovement without shader and to move the branches by altering the angle instead?

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SKerner    122
As I said, my first approach was to render each branch in it's own coordinate system and than do transformation of the modelview matix and render the next tree.
One idea I had was to animate the tree by altering the angle between the branches and kind of wave with the branches.

Is there a possibility to let a shader do that work? I mean like let the matrix shade instead of the vertices?

It would make a better effekt, if you additionally use a shader to alter the vertices. Is there a possibility so that the vertex shader does not only shade the vertices, but also alters the transformation for the next coordinate system?

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skow    248
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That do you mean by 'animating the model'?
Do you mean windmovement without shader and to move the branches by altering the angle instead?


I mean by using a modeling program to make the tree and keyframe animate it.

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That do you mean by 'animating the model'?
Do you mean windmovement without shader and to move the branches by altering the angle instead?


I mean by using a modeling program to make the tree and keyframe animate it.


I see. This is out of question, cause I wrote a growth simulation to automatically generate the trees. I can't model them.

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skow    248
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I see. This is out of question, cause I wrote a growth simulation to automatically generate the trees. I can't model them.


Something you could try is only changing the x/z values dependent on the y value. This would cause the tree to sway back and forth, while keeping everything connected. Make sure to have the effect be small at the root of the tree, you don’t want the tree moving around ;)

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SKerner    122
I already tried this. I defined a wind vector and gave every vertex a flexibility value, depending on the thickness of the branch.
But the movement is still quite unrealistic, cause it makes the whole tree sway back and fourth like a spring.
I wonder how Speedtree is dowing the movement stuff. Are there any papers out there concerning Speedtree?

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