Quote:Original post by Warvstar
Here is proof of TSE running on Xbox360, it sells through Live Arcade.
http://www.xboxcircle.com/portal/content/view/697/1/

Oh I know Garage Games have a 360 title int he works, they've got a lot of development experience and a game the Microsoft want...you however do not....Having access to the public version of the Torque engine does not mean you can write for the 360...please wake up.

You are a little slow. It is not in the works it is released. Microsoft is letting Indies write games for the Xbox360. You havent even seen my game, so you would not know if Microsoft would want it. Also I have family who work for Microsoft, even I have worked for them in the past, now I mainly work on simulators for the U.S. Army. Yes I have proof of that too.

Okay, it's one thing to point someone's expectations back towards reality, but do people have to be such #$%@-heads?

Can you get on the 360/PS3/Revolution without working for a major publisher on a AAA title? Yes/Not likely/Maybe.

If you're a hobbiest/indie you are not going to make the next Halo, don't even shoot that high, you'll miss and hit your foot.

On the other hand, if you work hard, you might get enough done to convince an artist it'd be worth his while to lend a hand on the next Outpost Kaloki, Wik, or Marble Blast. Of course, before they even consider you, you're going to have to get it done for PC first, put it out on the market, and prove your game worthy.

All three of these games have been out for a while now, and were in development for a while before that, so if you want to get on the 360, get coding.

Quote:Original post by dazzford
Since this thread was dredged up, I figured I would post a reply.

from Anon poster

Quote:Original post by Anonomous
"show me one hobby game in the top 20...go on? Top 40 then?"

Rollercoaster Tycoon. Designed and created by 1 person, Chris Sawyer. In addition he did all the add-on packs, and the sequal Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 and it's addons.

Granted it wasnt technically a "hobby", it was done by one person and easily reached the top 20, and at one point I believe it was in the top 5 (sales numbers), selling millions of copies.

Would you people quit spouting that?

Chris Sawyer's RTC was not a hobby game, nor was he a hobby developer.

He started up his own shop over five years before RTC was released. It was not done by one single person, but involved at least 28 people according to the credits. Sure, one guy had the idea and did most of the programming. And he did most of it in assembly because he thought it was fun, but it wasn't a fluke by a hobbiest.

From his bio:
1983, started writing games
1988-1993, ported several critically acclaimed titles
1993-1995, developed Transport Tycoon (and expansions) through Microprose
1996ish - 1999, developed RTC, released early 1999.

Yes, he did the design and all the gameplay implementation that matters in RCT, but not the graphics, not the music, not some of the interfaces, and so on. And there's a whole lot more than gameplay in a game.

From the credits, other than Sawyer:
* Graphics: Simon Foster
* Sound and music: Allister Brimble
* Additional Programming: FISH UK Ltd., Joe Booth, Nick Tuckett
* Representation: Jacqui Lyons (Marjacq Ltd.) Mmm, lawyers...
* Manual: Alkis Alkiviades, Timothy Beggs, Anton Lorton, John Possidente
* Layout: Louis Saekow Design
* Thanks to: Robb Alvey, Katie Brayshaw, Karen Cumming, Justin Garavanovis, European Coaster Club, Neil Jackson, Victoria Maclean, Martin Sawyer, Elizabeth Slater, Paul Slater, Graham Turner, Ruth Turner, John Wardley, Melanie Warn, Jim Wills (for help with research and game testing)
* Publisher information ....

Hobby game programmers don't have existing publication deals with Microprose, nor a creator with over a decade of experience then personally developing and publishing a major game with several expansion packs. They generally don't have source code from previous critically acclaimed titles and expansion packs. Allister Brimble (sound and music) had almost a decade of professional gamedev audio work and worked with him on earlier titles. Others on the list have similar experience.

That's more resources than most beginning professional studios have.

That is professional with Microprose publishing it.

frob.

Quote:Original post by Keiyentai
Back on to the topic kind of lol. I think the OP would be better off trying to code for like the Dreamcast or PS2. Rumor has it Japan is going to be re-releasing the DC with comercial/homebrew games in Feburary. Could be his best bet.

I hope you aren't talking about the Treamcast. Actualy, I hope you are, but that's been out for a while. Far from legal, but still quite nice.
Portable dreamcast

Considering that the DC did better in the US than it ever did in Japan, and they would have to reverse engineer the DC without breaking laws, and you have no source for your rumors... I'm calling crap.