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uhh, maybe you misread or something, i don't like the basic engine, i like the hardness and complexity of C++, and its powerful, darkbasic was just to introduce me to progrmaming, i justy said i don't want to do darkbasic, and you suggest it anyway

No I didn't misread. I was just trying to point out that languages are tools and that you shouldn't discard one purely on the basis that it isn't as "hard" or "powerful" as another. All I am trying to point out is that if a given project can be done using darkbasic then perhaps that is a better language to use because you already know it.

It all comes down to your objectives, if your objective is to learn C++ then by all means go ahead and do that. If your objective is to create a game that could be created using darkbasic then I think you should lower your overhead by using it. If your object is to create a game that cannot be easily created using darkbasic but can be done using C++ then perhaps you should use C++.

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Quote:Original post by Avont29
uhh, maybe you misread or something, i don't like the basic engine, i like the hardness and complexity of C++, and its powerful, darkbasic was just to introduce me to progrmaming, i justy said i don't want to do darkbasic, and you suggest it anyway

No I didn't misread. I was just trying to point out that languages are tools and that you shouldn't discard one purely on the basis that it isn't as "hard" or "powerful" as another. All I am trying to point out is that if a given project can be done using darkbasic then perhaps that is a better language to use because you already know it.

It all comes down to your objectives, if your objective is to learn C++ then by all means go ahead and do that. If your objective is to create a game that could be created using darkbasic then I think you should lower your overhead by using it. If your object is to create a game that cannot be easily created using darkbasic but can be done using C++ then perhaps you should use C++.

err... there's nothing wrong with what vaugula said... if the game u r making can be done without any flaws with darkbasic... then why not use it? since you already know it... it'll be easier. well, what do you need that darkbasic doesn't have and c++ has? if you can point something out then... we can probably give you more advice.

afterall if you are so keen on learning C++, then go ahead, the decision is yours (a good decision i must say). I don't see any point starting a thread like this.

you didn't have to reply to this thread if you think it was so pointless, and i want tolearn C++ cause i want to, stop quesitoning about it,

ok, thanks :) i'll stick with C++ , is 3d game programming with C++ really hard?

im sorry vaug and fuchi, i was a little upset, well, no i wasn't.....

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hey, my friend keeps telling me that c++ programming is really hard, people go to college for years to know that stuff, i really want to game program with c++, but he keeps putting me down :( i mean is C++ game programming really hard? and he prefers darkbasic, i don't want to do darkbasic because it is limited, but on the other hand its easy, to load a sound all you do is load sound, compared to C++ in which it takes almost 5 lines of code, i don't want to go back to basic, its too basic, and somethings wrong with that

No, C++ isn't what people go to college for years for. C++ is something you can learn in a month or less. Actual programming though, designing big programs properly and efficiently, solving any problems that occur, and making sensible and well-informed decisions on implementation issue, *that* is what people go to college for years for. And you face these exact same issues in every language. And that is really hard.

C++ or DarkBasic or any other language is no big deal. However, learning all the above is much easier in a simple language. So you could say that you are complicating matters by learning C++ first.
It's definitely not impossible though.

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load a sound all you do is load sound, compared to C++ in which it takes almost 5 lines of code

5? Try 50+. You need a lot more work behind the scenes to even get something that's able to load a sound.

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you didn't have to reply to this thread if you think it was so pointless, and i want tolearn C++ cause i want to, stop quesitoning about it,

You want to because you want to? Yay for circular arguments. Why did you bother asking, if you're not interested in answers?
Seems you've already made up your mind on what to do, so what difference does it make if we tell you that C++ is hugely difficult, and will take you the next 20 years to learn? (Not that we're telling you that)

But DarkBasic is actually just as powerful as C++ when it comes to games. Yes, performance might be a bit slower, but you can make any game in it if you want to.

ok, thanks :) i'll stick with C++ , is 3d game programming with C++ really hard?