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ouch, anyone see the ps3 previe wof killzone, the graphics, wow, that just makes me want to forget about making games :( now, no onw will buy a game that is ps2 or xbox graphics type game :(

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ouch, anyone see the ps3 previe wof killzone, the graphics, wow, that just makes me want to forget about making games :(

now, no onw will buy a game that is ps2 or xbox graphics type game :(


A lot of demos at E3 (including Kill Zone) used CG instead of actual gameplay. I wouldn't get discouraged, as those games are very much the product of team effort and multi-million dollar budgets. So don't think you have to be that good. For indie developers it's a labor of love.

The PS3 isn't due out till sometime in 2006 (might even get delayed to 2007) and the market for PS2 and Xbox games is still quite strong. Traditionally however summer seems to be a bit of a dry spell in new releases. Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are suppose to be reverse compatable with previous versions (the PS2 and Xbox respectively). While there is a lot of hype about graphics, it means little without game play. If you have a good game I think you'd be forgiven for the less detailed graphics. It will take developers a little while to learn how to take full advantage of these new systems so some of the first titles from these system will likely end up looking like they should be on the PS2 or Xbox.

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PS3 is said to have a very high-end graphics card with 512 megs of VRAM... but the 360 is said to have a dual processor system. My inference is that the XBOX is going to way more realtime and realistic, but maybe not the best graphics. The PS3 will have good graphics, but I don't know how it'll do on other areas.

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PS3 is said to have a very high-end graphics card with 512 megs of VRAM... but the 360 is said to have a dual processor system. My inference is that the XBOX is going to way more realtime and realistic, but maybe not the best graphics. The PS3 will have good graphics, but I don't know how it'll do on other areas.


The PS3 has the cell processor. I'll just use the same strategy last last time, wait until it gets cheaper. A lot cheaper.

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ouch, anyone see the ps3 previe wof killzone, the graphics, wow, that just makes me want to forget about making games :(

now, no onw will buy a game that is ps2 or xbox graphics type game :(


Depsite the fact that the Killzone footage was only CG, and not indicative of the PS3s graphics capabilities- I know how you feel.. Every time a fancy new game engine arrives I'm half in awe, and half terrified!

I'm starting a 4 year gameDev course this september and I'm seriously worried that I will not be able to keep up with all the developments that are going on in the industry- its changing that fast..

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Technology is constantly changing. It doesn't matter if you're making games, office apps or manufacturing cogs. The facts of life and education is that you're never done learning. The most important lesson to learn in school is "How" to learn. Once you can teach yourself new things you can always keep up with the latest things.

The constant change is what I love about technology. I'd be bored to death working in a job that was the same day in and day out for the next 40 years.

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PS3 is said to have a very high-end graphics card with 512 megs of VRAM... but the 360 is said to have a dual processor system. My inference is that the XBOX is going to way more realtime and realistic, but maybe not the best graphics. The PS3 will have good graphics, but I don't know how it'll do on other areas.


On paper the PS3 would appear to have the advantage over the 360 in both graphics and processing power, with the PS3 having a 3.2Ghz main processor + 7 (seven) additional 3.2Ghz processors (SPEs), as well as very fast (3.2Ghz) memory, compared to the XBOX's just having 3 (three) main processors.

How these will compare in real word performance, we will have to wait and see, but I suspect for the first generation of games are least, the performance will be fairly close, until the developers get the hang of jugling 8 processors at the same time on the PS3.

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Did they ever release high definition videos of the tech demos that they were showing off for the PS3? I wouldn't mind seeing the Killzone video in high-def, even if it is CG...

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That's why those of us with limited manpower and budgets (pretty much all of us) have to aim for a different target. I sincerely doubt that any small team could produce a Killzone killer, but that doesn't mean we can't make other types of games that are even more fun that don't need the highest standard of graphics. No-one will complain if your Tetris blocks don't have Phong shading [smile].

And as for the PS3, given Sony's track record of being "creative" with their pre-launch console statistics, and their tendency to try and blur the line between what is pre-rendered and real time, I'd wait until you can actually see a demo unit running in a store before trying to estimate how amazing the new console is. Honestly I don't know why the so-called gaming "journalists" get so suckered in by the marketing speak every single time...

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U can download a highdef video for KillZone 2 at gamespot.com. heres a link ( i think it'll give u the high def u might have to change some options in the site).
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/media.html

I believe they comfirmed that the demo was actually running on the PS3 alpha kit in real time but only at 5 frames per second.They sped up the frame rate for the e3 demo but I dont have a link to the report.

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now, no onw will buy a game that is ps2 or xbox graphics type game :(

Meh, I'm still buying PS1 titles. I'm thinking of getting Parappa the Rapper this week.

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ouch, anyone see the ps3 previe wof killzone, the graphics, wow, that just makes me want to forget about making games :(

now, no onw will buy a game that is ps2 or xbox graphics type game :(


Funny that, those kinds of graphics only make me want to program games even more! I can't wait to make games which look like that! [grin]

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ouch, anyone see the ps3 previe wof killzone, the graphics, wow, that just makes me want to forget about making games :(

now, no onw will buy a game that is ps2 or xbox graphics type game :(


You know what my favorite game is? Chrono Trigger. Sure it is old, and the graphics are dated. But dang it, it has to be one of the best games ever made. Why? Because it so fun. Heck, I would trade in my entire xbox collection for some of the older games. FF7, Out of this World, Bionic Commando just to name a few. I remember getting no sleep for almost a week when I got Civilization I, and that game is one step above a text based game.

There, rant.done();

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Althought I believe graphics is awesome, what troubles me is that for the average gamer, the game IS GRAPHICS. I mean, in some of the forums I usually spent some time, if a photo of a next gen game doesn't look to have state of the art graphics is simply ignored... I think some gamers are forgetting what gaming is all about...

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Gameplay is more important than graphics...well, unfortuanately not in terms of sales


Yeah, that is what I've tryed to get though to people in the 'PSP vs. DS' threads.

Nobody listens

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Why is gameplay more important than graphics? Are the two even mutually exclusive?


Because its a game.
of course, graphics are very important (not just because one need to see) but they and the rest game may worth zero to the player if the gameplay isn't good (ie. they dont enjoy it)
when i see a good looking game but its too hard for me even in Easy mode and there is nothing to do or its boring to play, i have nothing to do with it.
but when i see an old game (i mean to a game with not the best graphics, not only old ones) that is fun, i like it and still play it.
i believe graphics can affect on the gameplay, but not to be the gameplay.

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Why is gameplay more important than graphics? Are the two even mutually exclusive?

Well, I guess that depends on the quality of graphics. I really think that it is possible to find a balance between the two, but doing so can be really quite most difficult.

If I look at the projects that I have done in the past (which have all been pretty lame), they were entirely graphics - no gameplay whatsoever. Now as the 4 Elements contest is rolling around, I am getting more and more interested in doing some actual game programming (ie: not graphics). So far this hasn't happened, but at least I now have a greater desire to actually make a game.

[/Personal Rant]

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I felt the same way when I saw the Unreal 3 Demo, so I started learning the new stuff. Four months ago I was using DirectX 8.1, and I had no shader experience whatsoever. I got a few books, and now I know the theory to just about every technique used in Unreal 3 (the demo at least).

The amazing part is this: If you know fundamental computer graphics theory like the back of your hand, everything else just makes sense (for the most part).

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