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Autodesk today announced that it has signed a definitive agreement to acquire Alias
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a privately held developer of 3D graphics technology, for $182 million in cash. This acquisition will grow Autodesk’s expertise and offerings in the film and video, interactive games, media, Web, consumer products, industrial design, automotive, architecture and visualization markets. Autodesk anticipates that the transaction will close within the next four to six months.
This is big, big news! There's going to be some huge changes with the beloved 3D Studio Max package, and some heavy impact on the gaming/film industry. I'm really anxious to see how Maya and 3DS compete with each other now. [Edited by - Salsa on October 5, 2005 11:24:47 PM]

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I finally noticed the aquisition today when I visited Alias' website today. I personally really dig Maya's interface. I wonder which name is going to stick around, Maya or 3d Studio Max? I can't really imagine they'll keep both softwares going. Autodesk has alot of mechanical/architectural design type software packages, so I'd imagine that Max might be dropped and instead we'll be using 3D Studio Maya or some crap like that.

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Maya 7 was just released not too long ago. Hopefully Autodesk will want to be faithful to the maya community and not turn it into the doormat to 3ds and make it less inferior or worse yet tear it all to pieces. I was getting used to a new Maya upgrade every 6 months or so at work and now i just dont know.

They(Alias) sold for 182 million cash. That is a great sale on behalf of the owners. You have to remember that Alias is really run by the stockholders and the stockholders could care less what the users think. They want to turn a profit on their investment. Thats really too bad..perhaps they should think twice about their greedy selves. Why dont we just be blunt..thats what it all boils down to isnt it? Greed? The power of the almighty dollar.

Also the problem with merging companies like this, especially specialized companies that we are talking about, innovation and product quality can become an afterthought..sort of just frozen. This is why a lot of people are against it. So autodesk is 3ds right? the main competitor is..err.. was Maya. Now lets say(and dont be nieve and think this isnt possible) they upgrade 3ds and make some nice enhancements and then Maya becomes an afterthought...yeah they will add a new feature here and there but it will become the doormat to 3ds. Then the maya community will complain and ask for more.. like we are used to getting every 6 months. There is nothing to stop Autodesk from telling you to shove it. what have they got to lose? Now they have little or no competition.

This is why competition is good for the base community/users and overall good for everyone..it keeps all the company on their toes to be innovative so that they can keep up with competition. If there is none however, there is no motivation or not as much as you would get otherwise.

what do you think?

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Maya is not getting dropped and it's not going to be shoved under 3ds max. Autodesk isn't stupid.

Trashing Maya would be equivalent to giving every modelling program except 3ds max a huge wave of new users; a dream come true for NewTek and SoftImage, to be sure. Maya and Max will both continue on as before in order to retain the full user base of both programs.

Innovation also is not going to suffer. Max and Maya are not the only programs out there and what is out there is gaining ground very quickly. What we're going to see from Autodesk is likely the exact same thing we're seeing now: both programs implementing the same features with different UI's.

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Maya is not getting dropped and it's not going to be shoved under 3ds max. Autodesk isn't stupid.

Trashing Maya would be equivalent to giving every modelling program except 3ds max a huge wave of new users; a dream come true for NewTek and SoftImage, to be sure. Maya and Max will both continue on as before in order to retain the full user base of both programs.

Innovation also is not going to suffer. Max and Maya are not the only programs out there and what is out there is gaining ground very quickly. What we're going to see from Autodesk is likely the exact same thing we're seeing now: both programs implementing the same features with different UI's.

Agree I do.
But when that happens they will probably make it into one program with a cute liddle radio button for which UI you want.

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Innovation also is not going to suffer. Max and Maya are not the only programs out there and what is out there is gaining ground very quickly. What we're going to see from Autodesk is likely the exact same thing we're seeing now: both programs implementing the same features with different UI's.

Right, innovation will not suffer.
But I don't think both programs will have the same features with different UI's.
My guess is that they will tailor each program to a specific industry: Max for the gaming world and Maya for film.

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I don't think both programs will have the same features with different UI's.
My guess is that they will tailor each program to a specific industry: Max for the gaming world and Maya for film.

They already have the same features with different UI's. Change the name, put the button in a new place, make the display window a little different... How long do you think a high-end program would last if it stopped copying everyone else? It might take a year or so, but all features that are useful enough will be put into all the competition. If they aren't, that program starts to lose ground.

Example: Autodesk has been pushing Pelt Mapping as a major improvement in 3ds max 8. Think Max is the first program to have pelt mapping? Someone at autodesk used another program, realized pelt mapping totally rocks, and decided they were going to copy it.

It's not a bad thing, it's just the reality of the situation.

I doubt there will be any major changes in the actual programs. Perhaps they will market Maya and Max more aggressively to film and game development, respectively.

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I see what you're saying but I just don't get it.
If they make both programs exactly the same, but with different UI's, it's a waste of money.
They will be selling two versions of the same thing, and that just doubles their packaging and marketing costs. If that's the case they could just make one program and offer the user a choice between two themes.
The accounting department would have fits if they doubled their costs with no return.

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If this buyout is anything like their previous buyout (in 1999) then we'll see a merge.

Autodesk (founded in 1982) originally had developed 3D Studio (along with AutoCAD). They bought out the company Discreet in 1999 which were the developers of a program called MAX. Those two products merged to make what it is today, 3D Studio Max.

Now with the buy out of Alias (and if it's like their previous buyout), we'll see 3D Studio Maya Max (or #D Maya Studio Max)! (oh yes!!!!)

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I'm sorry but that's not the way it happened. 3DS Max was not written by Discreet Logic at all. It was written by Kinetix a division of Autodesk because they knew that their DOS program 3D Studio couldn't last forever.

Later Autodesk bought Discreet Logic which was the maker of video tools like flame and merged the company with Kinetix and called the result Discreet.

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I'm so sad, Maya is such a well designed tool and now the hacks at Autodesk are going to mess with it :(

I've worked extensively with both products and there APIs and Maya is sooooo much better to develop with for innumerable reasons.

Unless Autodesk doesn’t mess with the Maya formula and lets the current teem continue development... PLEASE!!!

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I see what you're saying but I just don't get it.
If they make both programs exactly the same, but with different UI's, it's a waste of money.
They will be selling two versions of the same thing, and that just doubles their packaging and marketing costs. If that's the case they could just make one program and offer the user a choice between two themes.
The accounting department would have fits if they doubled their costs with no return.

Yes, it costs more, but if both products are profitable then there is a net gain to be had by maintaining both.

Just look at this thread for an example of why keeping Maya going is a good idea:
"I am saddened... Now autodesk has destroyed [Maya]."
"Hopefully Autodesk will want to be faithful to the maya community"
"I'm so sad, Maya is such a well designed tool and now the hacks at Autodesk are going to mess with it :("

And this is from a handful of posts on a programmer-focused forum before anything has even been announced. What do you think the actual Maya community would do if they heard Autodesk was going to get rid of their program? People become attached to their tools and they become loyal to the developers. Making Maya into a button to switch UI's in Max would be equivalent to simply discarding the program in the minds of many people and a tremendous amount of business would be lost.

As expensive as these programs are, not everything is about one-time sales. Building a community is far more important and influencial in creating success.

Additionally, just because they have the same features doesn't mean they use the same code base. Merging Max and Maya would be no small task and likely less time effecient than simply updating them both seperately. Time can be more important than cost, sometimes.

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I'm sorry but that's not the way it happened. 3DS Max was not written by Discreet Logic at all. It was written by Kinetix a division of Autodesk because they knew that their DOS program 3D Studio couldn't last forever.

Later Autodesk bought Discreet Logic which was the maker of video tools like flame and merged the company with Kinetix and called the result Discreet.


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051005-5394.html

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To everyone that's putting 3ds max down, Shame on you! I use both programs and I absolutley HATE using maya. It's very unattractive and drains too much resources. The Learning curve is over one year because of all the badly implemented features and menus. Yeah most sucessful companies use it because it's the most complete package but it's not very user friendly. That's why I prefer 3ds max. It's a better allround software due to price, learning curve and properly implimented features. If you don't believe me look at the sales statistics for this year only. It more than doubles the sales of maya. Yes autodesk bought the rights but that is a good thing! Unlike people who put it down like it's such a bad thing, and "oowww they are going to kill maya". That's not going to happen. It will be the turning point in the graphic industry! So stop complaining ppl, it's a good thing.

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But you forget one thing! Maya is multiplatform! Maya and Alias itself was born under unix... it was a part of sgi.
film industry now use linux (dreamworks) and may be pixar use osx (steve jobs).
So until they release a version of 3dsmax for both the operating system, maya do have nothing to worry about.
My worry (as linux and osx user) is that as the time go long autodesk prefer the windows platform.

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