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JeffLander    660
I am giving another talk to a group of high school students on the 20th about the game industry and would like to get some feedback on what I covered before and see how to tune it up. This groups is for a math class so I will be emphasizing the real world working uses of the techniques they are learning even more so than this talk. But I haven't finished the modifications yet. Slides from the prior talk at Santa Monica Library are at: http://www.game-tech.com/GameTechTalk/D3D_SMLibrary.pdf Audio in two parts if you care to listen at: http://www.game-tech.com/GameTechTalk/SMLibrary1.mp3 http://www.game-tech.com/GameTechTalk/SMLibrary2.mp3 I appreciate any feedback.

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CTar    1134
I'm looking through them right know, so I'ld post more in a moment, but I just saw that you spelled Networking: "Networkking" on slide 8 in the D3D_SMLibrary.pdf file.

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First I have to ask one thing, since I'm not attending an American school I dont know exactly how it works, but is this a talk people can choose whether they want to attend to or not? I'm assuming they have to attend, but I could be wrong.

I like how you show them math is involved in game development, instead of just saying "You use math, but I dont want to show it".

One thing I think is a little weird is that the last slide(29) is "No math for me! I do the audio", it is even after the conclusion.

I thought the numbers in the beginning (budgets, team size, hardware, etc.) was interresting, but I'm glad you didn't focus on numbers the whole way through since some people just cant keep focused when being presented with lots of numbers.

I really cant find anything negative, but if I find something I will post again.

[Edited by - CTar on October 6, 2005 2:32:17 PM]

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JeffLander    660
Thanks. Will fix the typo. The Sound slide was there just because I decided not to use it but kept it around in case I wanted to mention it or the question came up.

For the talk that I gave these slides at, the audience chose to come, there were flyers posted. The one coming up is for a class and I am a guest speaker so they have to be there. Though they have sent notice that they are very excited to have me give the talk.

I appreciate the input.

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Sphet    631
I read over your document. There is a lot of good information in there, specifically about the types of jobs available. I would be interested in seeing more description of the jobs and what kind of skills/personality fits work for the, most importantly for the production roles since they are more ambigous compared to programmers, artists and audio engineers.

I also think that some of the timelines that you propose for games as well as team sizes may be too long or big, respectively, but that's not too important. A 1.5 year development time in production seems huge and certainly a luxury I've never enjoyed on any of the titles I have shipped.

Slide 22 reads: 'I am created a puzzle...' seems like a grammar error to me. Grammar is not listed on the skills required, but I think it should be fixed <grin>. Same error reads on slide 23.

A good overview given the target age group. Hope it goes well.

- S

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Krisc    494
A few points I would like to make [ I haven't read the other peoples' posts. ]

1. I think you need a more exciting color scheme, or somehow change things up a little bit every so often.

2. On slide 13, I would change the word stuff to something else... like jobs, resources, etcetera.

3. The picture of the boxing game on slide 3 is great, but I would try and find it without the IGN logo. Just makes things a tad unproffessional.

4. I don't know what you used to make this but most Window's programs can do math equations. Word has a built in tool under Insert>Objects I believe. I would make the equations into actual equations.

5. Slide 21 is great, but you never go into the cooler topics on the slide. You give examples for the basic/boring things like 8 directions, but how do inverse kinematics play a role in the industry? Etcetera, grab them by telling them how these things they need to learn are awesome.

6. Slide 22: "I am created a puzzle"?

7. Slide 24: Why/How does the movement have to be a recognizable pattern that is also chaotic. Those two cancel each other out. Maybe discuss both, "You can have the alien's path be a pattern, or to make it harder have it be chaotic and random" etc.

It is looking decent, but I would say it needs a lot of work. You need to focus on grabbing the students attention. I know from experience that in order to do that you need to show them "cool" things they could do in the future. Show them examples of math concepts and how the could have an affect on a character. The average high school student doesn't know what is out there so show him and reel him in.

Sorry if I was too harsh, I tried not to be and tried to just be precise and to the point. I wish you lots of luck with the presentation! Let me know if you want any help or anything.

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JeffLander    660
Thanks for the feedback. Harsh is fine with me.

I am using open office since I really don't like powerpoint but one thing I haven't got to work at all well is the equation editor. It definitely could use a snazzier background (programmer art you know :)). I am rewriting the whole math section so I will rework those. For the SM talk I just put the math up there to get a little shock before I went into how simple it is in concept.

I tend to try not to over explain where I am going on slides because people just tend to read them and not listen and the speaker just tends to read along. Makes it less interactive. I use them more as an outline and notes. The talk outline is a jump point for various examples and explainations. But I will look at doing some better diagrams of advanced techniques. My IK demo is always good for some laughs.

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Krisc    494
Yeah I figured you had external demos. I will check on my open office, see if it is possible to actually create snazzy equations. You got my interest! :P

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