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Were having a programming class here at school. But the computers are completely fucked up if I may say so. We have two compilers/IDE's but neither one of them are working. We got Borland c++ here but the IDE doesnt (for some reason) respond to keyboard input, everything we type come up as wierd red characters. Then we got an older one called Borland Sharp, a dos based IDE, but whenever were trying to start it, it crashes. I tried to download and install Dev-Cpp locally inside my own "My documents" folder, we got one each here that holds around 30 MB. But it gives wierd errors, not able to find main.o and stuff like that, even though there shouldnt anything wrong with the program. Probably because we dont have access to some other partitions on the server, we only got our little documents partition. Were writing code in notepad, no compiling, no syntax highlight. Noones learning anything. No problem for me, Im far beyond the level of this class (since this is my main interest) but I wanna help me fello' classmates. [smile] Are there anything you think could work? A very very very minimal IDE? That could fit (and work) from inside our small documents folder? I thought Dev-Cpp could do the trick but apparently, it needs access to other folders here or something. Comments?

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Just tell the lecturer to sort it out. If that doesn't work then go above his head and keep going going until it gets sorted. Nothing pisses me off more than the educational facilities making your work harder by having knackered computers, the work is usually hard enough as it is. I have the same problems here at uni.

Dave

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Well the problems have been going on and off for over half a year now. Several times Ive taken contact with various heads and system administrators. And as a matter of fact, one of the admins are in here now trying to sort out one of the problems. The same problem he has fixed three times before. :rolleyes

I fear that before we got a fully working system, the course is going to be over and Ive taken action into my own hands. [smile]

Trying to google up some mini IDE but I dont got much luck. We dont got floppys here but we got CD drives, so Im thinking of brining along a linux livecd... dont know what the admins think of that though. But maybe then we can get a working envoirment. It all depends on how the harddrives actually look, if were able to mount and write to our documents partition, it could actually work. But it does probably make use of the NTFS filesystem.

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I've had problems like these for the last three years at college. The tutors won't do anything and the college admins think that they know best and won't do anything at all we say (even though we are right they are wrong).

They want us to do VB work with the extra controls (Common Controls, DataGrid, Common Dialogs etc.) but we don't have permissions to use ActiveX controls. So we ask and the admins say "Too much of a security risk", so we said what about the room with no internet access because then AX doesn't matter, "Still to much of a security risk". Of what? It has no internet access. Our admins have some sort of superitory (sp?) complex and don't accept anything we say (we once told one what exactly was wrong with a pc, he said no your completly wrong, then two hours latter he was talking to a fellow admin asaying that we did exactly what we told him to).

Sorry to rant, but crap admins annoy me. I found that having Dev-C++ on a usb key drive worked, mabye you could try that. I'm sure most of you have that for storing your work anyway and if not they arn't very expensive for a 128/256MB version.

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That's a damn shame, at our school we have MSVS.NET 2003. We compile DX, OGL, Allegro, ect. Have you tried to get Dev-C++ on your home PC, find the directory it's in, copy it to a CD, then copy those files to either the network drive or your own personal drive at school? Hope you can get it working better than a notepad system.

teh_programerer

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I've had problems like these for the last three years at college. The tutors won't do anything and the college admins think that they know best and won't do anything at all we say (even though we are right they are wrong).


How can you be so sure?

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They want us to do VB work with the extra controls (Common Controls, DataGrid, Common Dialogs etc.) but we don't have permissions to use ActiveX controls. So we ask and the admins say "Too much of a security risk", so we said what about the room with no internet access because then AX doesn't matter, "Still to much of a security risk". Of what?


Of someone physically logged on the machine deliberately exploiting an ActiveX weakness ?

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hey for that crimson editor. I downloaded it. Now i was wondering if you know how to compile a file in c++.

or if you could compile it....


This page has a good explanation of how to setup and use compilers, for both a MS one and g++. Then with the crimson editor under tools->conf. user tools you can set it up with your compiler of choice to avoid some boring repetition.

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Interesting problem, I'm with the others - it should be the lecturer & IT Staff to provide you guys with a proper enviornment.

You might want to invest in a usb key device - small ones are dirt cheap these days and you might be able to fit a more friendly enviornment on there.

I expect admin rights have been locked down on your machines so things that use Install Shield and write to the registry I guess won't work that immediately take MS Express and things like that out of the equation.

Good luck anyways

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In worst case, fire up command prompt (start/run cmd.exe) or command.com and you may start writing your programs simply with:

copy con test.c
#include <stdio.h>
void main(void)
{
printf("hello world!\n");
}
<press F6>^<enter>

viola. you get test.c on your drive. Of course, this is as mouch hardcore as it gets. You still need a compiler.

But seriously. Why not get a solution like RADIX Protector or something like that, where core system files get protected by hardware, anyone may install everything he wants but after reset the computer is as it was new. This is just a suggestion for your IT.

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I think I could fit various text editors inside the "my documents" folder. I will look into having dev-cpp on a usb memory stick, but I think dev-cpp wants registry access.

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Original post by tldalton1622
hey for that crimson editor. I downloaded it. Now i was wondering if you know how to compile a file in c++.

or if you could compile it....


This page has a good explanation of how to setup and use compilers, for both a MS one and g++. Then with the crimson editor under tools->conf. user tools you can set it up with your compiler of choice to avoid some boring repetition.


Good suggestion, having just a little compiler that compiled textfiles and linked them would work well. But doing it that way (just guessing now, havent done it this way before) it would become very manual and since Im doing this to help my classmates it maybe isnt such a good idea after all. I want to be able to do something to ease the work with all these crappy IDE's so they could focus more on the actual coding, but this way, maybe they get even more stuff to think about. :P

Good discussion so far though. Thanks everyone for your input. :)

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ok first is this at a college or High school?

Well it shouldn't matter tell the admin to change to dev C++ its easier from what i experienced and yes I used borland before very nasty for me at the time same thing for Grasp for java. Get the newest version of Dev c++ from there website and have a good day coding

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I just reread the your post Dev C++ doesn't look into anyother folders so thats not the problem.

the only folders used is the ones in side the dev C++ root folder which should all be able to run from my document.

Can you describe the errors a little more does it say linker 'LNK error'? It sounds like its linker error to me also it sounds like you are compiling some where forbidden which is out side of My Document.

try starting new projoect and compile the sample in my document also make sure you have enough space'my college ttu gave us 100 mb of drive space which was our My documents networked to server on campus is to hack into because they made it simple.

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Ok i was just wondering if there was an IDE that is really portable. (>100mb) Something i can put on a thumb drive (usb drive) and carry around with me. I have a 256mb but i want to have room for other stuff. Heck if you know of one thats around... 200mb or so id be happy. Doesnt need to have a lot of other stuff to it just the standard lib. Or even more minimal library would work.

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