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# Mr. Gamemaker BSP Tut's

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Verminaard    122
They seem to be down for some reason so could someone please zip them up and email them to me? Thx. Tut 2 is the one i really need.

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Gazza    122
please don''t disrespect the COPYRIGHTS which accompany any of the tutorials, if they have been taken down they have been taken down for a reason, although the copyright statement clearly states that re-distribution is strictly prohibited under any circumstances.
(mr-gamemaker terms and conditions page)

Please.. if you have found any of the tutorial authors helpful, then do them a favour now by not unlawfully redistributing their material.

Thank you

Gary Simmons

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Verminaard    122
Those copyrights are there so that people can not
redistribute their work and claim credit for it.
Obviously I know who''s work they are. I also had both of
them but accidently deleted them (while reformatting

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Aldacron    4544
You know, Verminaard, Gary (Gazza) is the guy who runs Mr. Gamemaker. I think he knows why the copyright notice is there and what it means

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Verminaard    122
Ah, I see. Sorry then, but could you pray tell us, Gary, why the tuts went down?

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daedalusd    122
Verminaard,

Can i just ask a question, if that is what copyrights are for, does that mean I can burn a copy of the number one album in the music album charts, and distribute it ? I''m not trying to pass it off as my own work after all, I know who made it

Don''t get me wrong i''m not getting at you here, I just found your statement strange =). Ok so it''s not illegal/immoral to own a copy of the tutorials when they were there for you to download for no charge, but you are in fact asking someone else to breach the copyright laws by distributing it to you. (This would be the case whether the tutorials had been removed or not, as stated in the terms of service)

As far as why the tutorials were removed, we unfortunately can''t discuss that at the moment, but rest assured as soon as we can, we''ll be mentioning it on the Mr-GameMaker BBS =)

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Verminaard    122
The whole thing i don''t like is when people take things too literally. When I look at your copyright''s for not letting others redistibute your files I can understand the reason behind them: you dont want others to claim credit for your work (since you hand it out for free you aren''t going to lose money, unless there''s something to do with sponsors of the page..i dont know). However, it seemed that in the situation I was in, I understood and respected the makers, and even though someone giving the files to me was a legal breach of the copyright''s it wouldn''t be a breach of the reason behind the copyright''s.

With the music artist: yes, I believe it would be okay to do so if the artists were giving away the cd''s free to anyone who wanted em (which is like what you are doing)

It seems however that there must be another underlying reason you don''t want the files distributed, the same reason they were taken down. Perhaps someone is saying the tuts are in their book or something?..

asdfdh. sorry, dont have the time to edit the above to make sense, im getting very tired writing this post^^

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zerwit    122
I''m glad I download any good tutorials I see so I can view them offline. Those are some really good ones. Do you think he copied too much code or something from somebody else?

*** Triality ***

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Gazza    122
Zerwit,

No, I didnt copy ANY code from anybody else and the tutorials have not been taken down because I am in any sort of trouble or anything like that.

Geez, everybody thinks im being sued for something.

When it has taken me 3 months to figure out PVS and write the tutorial and then GIVE it away for free, i think i am entitled to take my copyright literally. Surely it is not too much to ask after all the work I put in to those tutorials.

I really can not discuss why the tutorials have been taken down atm BUT the copyright was their so that people would only be able to download it from mr-gamemaker.com

I really don''t think its too much to ask that if i write 200 pages of information and give it away for FREE, that asking them to come to my website ONLY to download it is too much too ask.

This is a little off topic now anyway, because atm the tutorials can not be downloaded from the site,but the copyrights do still stand, not just for my own tutorials, but for all the authors who write tutorials on my site.

Gary Simmons

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Gazza,
So the tutorials are not just down while they are updated to DirectX 8 then? Any word on when you might be able to get them back up, even if it''s vague?

You have to admit that looking in from the outside, it probably seems a bit odd that you are so possessive of something which you are giving away free in the first place, even if you are totally entitled to be so. If you don''t want the copyright broken, you could send tutorial 2 to Verminaard yourself, afterall he has already downloaded it and only lost it by accident.

Don''t take offense though, I have tutorials (although poor ones ) on my site and I''d hate to see them turn up on someone elses site.

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crackdown    122
I''d love to see my tutorials get spread all over the net. That means people are reading them and find them good enough to pass to other people. Just as long they give you the credit for them and don''t change them I''d say everything is cool.

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daedalusd    122
Trying not to turn this into a flame war, i''ll be as diplomatic as possible =)

Just because an article was freely available to download from a site, does that mean the author relinquishes ANY rights he has for that work ? His/her work has NOT been placed in the Public Domain if the copyrights restrict distribution, and that work is only available from places authorised by the author.

Take for example articles on Microsofts website, they are under the same Terms Of Service, and people wouldn''t DREAM of copying the articles from there and posting them elsewhere (unless it blatantly said that you could

It always amazed me during my involvement with the Genesis3d / Jet3d Engines, that during the Source Code debates, (when the source had to be paid for) that people were total a**holes about it, and basically wanted it all for free, or at least would NOT comply with the relatively small stipulation that any engine modifications must be submitted back to the community, when they were expecting to make plenty of \$''s out of the game they were creating with the engine.

So in short, would any one of you deny someone the right to make a living from their own hard work by implementing one small stipulation that it not be re-distributed ?

Anyway I digress, all i''m saying is that if the author of said work wanted to take their rights literally then by all power of the law they have the right to do so =)

This is not getting into a law debate, and it''s not like removing the tutorials is the end of the world =) In the grand scheme of things it''s a small drop in the ocean.

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daedalusd    122
Just to quickly clear something up so that my last post was not taken the wrong way. It was not aimed at anyone here, i was just adding to the whole copyright debate =) Sorry if anyone felt that i was singling them out.

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WhatEver    125
I just wrote, re-wrote and then deleted my whole message. I''m just going to be straight forward here.

Look, the problem here is that the tut can''t be seen from your web page anymore. Add a web page where the tut used to be stating that it''s been taken down for legal resaons, or whatever.

Add an EULA stating that you can copy the material as long as you leave it as is.

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Gazza    122
Whatever:

1) First of all, i did introduce myself, anybody who has read the tutorials in question would have seen my name in big bold letters across the top.

2) Whether I introduce myself or not has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the copyrights debate going on here.

3) A page WAS added stating the tutotials are not available at this time

4) The code may be used freely in peoples programs BUT the articles themselves are not to be distributed in ANY way. Those are the conditions of use for my site.

PS. Oh I nearly forgot

This message was written by

GARY SIMMONS
WEBMASTER at Mr-GameMaker.com
Author of the two missing tutorials

Happy now Whatever?

Edited by - gazza on February 5, 2001 12:05:48 PM

Edited by - Gazza on February 5, 2001 12:08:08 PM

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There are several books currently being written on programming with DirectX 8. My guess is that one of the authors/publishers is in contract agreement with the author of those two tutorials to use some/all of them in their upcoming book. Therefor, the tutorials must be taken off the web site and the tutorial writer cannot talk about what happened to them. That way, hopefully suckers like us will pay a silly amount of money to get the tutorials and source code that we were once able to get for free.

That''s just my guess.

I have both tutorials and all the source code on several computers and I borrow from them heavily in my own hobby programs. Thank you to the author for the tutorials.

Let the flames begin.

.sig''s are for losers.

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There are several books currently being written on programming with DirectX 8. My guess is that one of the authors/publishers is in contract agreement with the author of those two tutorials to use some/all of them in their upcoming book. Therefor, the tutorials must be taken off the web site and the tutorial writer cannot talk about what happened to them. That way, hopefully suckers like us will pay a silly amount of money to get the tutorials and source code that we were once able to get for free.

That''s just my guess.

I have both tutorials and all the source code on several computers and I borrow from them heavily in my own hobby programs. Thank you to the author for the tutorials.

Let the flames begin.

.sig''s are for losers.

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There are several books currently being written on programming with DirectX 8. My guess is that one of the authors/publishers is in contract agreement with the author of those two tutorials to use some/all of them in their upcoming book. Therefor, the tutorials must be taken off the web site and the tutorial writer cannot talk about what happened to them. That way, hopefully suckers like us will pay a silly amount of money to get the tutorials and source code that we were once able to get for free.

That''s just my guess.

I have both tutorials and all the source code on several computers and I borrow from them heavily in my own hobby programs. Thank you to the author for the tutorials.

Let the flames begin.

.sig''s are for losers.

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gazza smells like poo

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SomeCodeGuy    122

If Gary decides to put his excellent BSP tutorials in a book (they''re already like books), add another tutorial on BSP CSG/HSR, I''d be the first in line to purchase a copy.

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WhatEver    125
LOL Gary,

quote:
1) First of all, i did introduce myself, anybody who has read the tutorials in question would have seen my name in big bold letters across the top.

Gary, I was talking about when you made your first post in this thread. Only people reading the document in questions might remember what your handle is, but not the people who haven''t read the document: like me .

As for #2, if you had introduced youself the poster would have accepted your answer instantly. That would make #2 valid.

Sorry about #3. I assumed you didn''t because of all the fuss in here.

I want that documant!!! I still don''t understand bsp trees!!! If I did, maybe I could make a decent engine.

Anyway, I don''t really care. I wish I had your doc...but since I can''t, I have other things to learn .

I hope you resolve this.