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I haven't drawn on a consistent basis in at least five years, probably more, but I'm getting back into it. To me, drawing as a skill is like muscle conditioning - don't use it, you lose it. Consequently, I've been trying to draw a lot recently. I also (finally) bought a tablet on Thursday, and I'm learning to flex my muscles with it (for now, I find that the felt nib helps because of greater friction between the pen and tablet surface, which gives it a more paper-like feel). Anyway, here's the first consumable drawing off the tab (per Salsa's request), and the third overall, made using ArtRage Free. Sketch of DC Comics' The Flash by Oluseyi Give me your unfettered opinions, please. I plan to pick up a comprehensive anatomical reference - some of the muscle arrangements and ligaments are out of place or just odd in perspective. And the pose is a bit whack, but, meh, comic book characters. Thanks. [smile]

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I'm appreciating the views, but I'd really like some crit. I can tell that the legs are bad - and some people in #gamedev game some feedback - and the pose is awkward. Can I get some reactions? Even if all you've got to say is "Not bad, keep at it"? (Okay, I'd rather you said a whole lot more, preferrably about what you didn't like.)

I've been up for too long, so I'll hopefully go to bed in a bit. Unfortunately I just discovered a comprehensive history of the Flash on Monitor Duty (Part 1, Part 2)...

More stuff tomorrow, and probably every day for a while, at least on weekends.

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I think you need a bit more detail at the hips, like where the legs join the body, becuase if you only look at the bottom of the picture it can look like two different views.

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The legs are too big in proportion to the body, and the arms just look too small. I think the arm in the back is bent out too far, you shouldn't see the whole shoulder popping back?

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I think the arms look well drawn, however the guy looks like he's twisting his torso left instead of running. The legs look ok, mabye a bit more detail on the thighs might make it look less weird.

Hope this helps. :)

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Excellent points, both. The groin area is definitely lacking in detail. I also realize that I left of The Flash's (this is Barry Allen) lightning bolt belt, which could have broken up the monotony of the mid-section. Fortunately, the chest is obscured, as I totally forgot about the logo (also a lightning bolt, on a white circle).

Next picture will be original.

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-The arms are way too short.
-Hands are way too small.
-Head is too small.
-Left shin is too small.
-More structure/definition in groin.

Overall, the anatomy is really poor, it really needs alot of work, as you realize. The greatest anatomy book I've ever had is called "Anatomy made amazingly easy."
I also wouldn't worry about posed figures until you can get a figure correct in a very static, arms out, christ pose. Poses are about gesture, and are very hard to learn without studying live models, or having a REALLY good understanding of anatomy.
It really helps to first draw the underlying skeletal structure before you put flesh on it. And if the stick figure doesn't look right, then your final drawing won't, either. So keep doing over your stick figures/gestures until they look good, as in well proportions and dynamic (Flash looks to be neither).

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Here's a page for the side of the head... since that looks like the area you need most help on.

http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=11

It looks to me like the pen size is too large. Decrease it so you're forced to draw more precisely.

And as a side note, very little looks better on a white background than black. :}

I recommend anything by Andrew Loomis ('specially Figure Drawing for all it's Worth-- All of his books can be found on the internet though, since they've been out of print for a number of years) and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

The best advice I can give you is to start at the beginning of the Loomis books and draw everything in them, page by page. Good luck, God speed.

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Anyway, here's the first consumable drawing off the tab (per Salsa's request), and the third overall, made using ArtRage Free.

Art Rage was the first bit of software I bought when I got my tablet pc, it's a great bit of software. I'd I'd highly recommend upgrading to the full version. IIRC the free one doesn't have layers support which is invaluable, and considering the price you'd be mad not to. [grin]

Personally I prefer the pen tool for quick sketching, but my drawings look terrible so who am I to comment.

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Anatomical business aside, i think you might be better off with a better drawing tool. You've got the conte look going on. I've never found actual conte crayon to be of much use unless you are drawing on a really large scale or have really sharp crayons. Either way, conte is not a detail media if you ask me. I think these types of drawing would be better served with a pencil or thin paint line type of tool if you have that available.

However, if you can manage to draw anything from scratch on a graphics tablet, kudos to you! It's a lot different than a piece of paper, for sure.

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Here's a page for the side of the head... since that looks like the area you need most help on.

http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=11

Interesting. Got anything for non-caucasians?

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It looks to me like the pen size is too large. Decrease it so you're forced to draw more precisely.

I'll give that a shot. Note that it was drawing in a "rough out" fashion, which means that I went over some of the lines several times as I was trying to get comfortable with the pad.

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And as a side note, very little looks better on a white background than black. :}

Actually, I went with the red pencil because I was going to color it, but I didn't like the colored version at all - I think the use of flat shading with a pencil didn't help. ArtRage Free doesn't provide any tools appropriate for inking, and I'm still looking for something else that works as a digital drawing tool not trying to mimic natural media.

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The best advice I can give you is to start at the beginning of the Loomis books and draw everything in them, page by page. Good luck, God speed.

Thanks, and thanks. I'll grab those books and work through them; they sound like just what I was looking for. I'll still pick up an anatomy book next week, though. I need a better understanding of the underlying musculo-skeletal structure.

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Anatomical business aside, i think you might be better off with a better drawing tool.

I concur. I think ArtRage is great for mimicking natural media, but I'm looking for something that's better suited to digital media. Clean lines, surfaces without texture, etc. So far Photoshop Elements doesn't seem pressure sensitive enough; is full-blown Photoshop better in this regard?

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I think these types of drawing would be better served with a pencil or thin paint line type of tool if you have that available.

Ironically, the image above was done in ArtRage's pencil tool.

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However, if you can manage to draw anything from scratch on a graphics tablet, kudos to you! It's a lot different than a piece of paper, for sure.

Thanks. Here's the picture I started on today, to practice my anatomy:

Early sketch of nude torso by Oluseyi

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Looks much better, keep going through the Loomis books and you'll come out able to draw well beyond most people in the forum.
As far as the technical stuff goes, the pressure sensititivty comes from the tablet, not the software (ie, 512 levels or 1024 levels). It makes a big difference, getting a more sensitive tablet.
I'm not sure about PSEssentials and Artrage's brush engine, but Photoshop and Painter have excellent brush engines, and can give you any style you want (emulate natural or hard-lined digital).

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Looks much better, keep going through the Loomis books and you'll come out able to draw well beyond most people in the forum.

Thanks. I'm also setting up studies for myself of arbitrary objects and planning to draw from reference.

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As far as the technical stuff goes, the pressure sensititivty comes from the tablet, not the software (ie, 512 levels or 1024 levels). It makes a big difference, getting a more sensitive tablet.

I have an Intuos3, which has 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity. I guess I just found the baseline with PSEssentials too "heavy." I'll see if I can tweak that (I'll switch to using it primarily, as I'm not quite looking to emulate natural media just yet.)

I might also give Painter a try. An "essentials"-type version comes bundled with the tablet.

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Nice pose on the second image. The (figure's) right ear is a bit high, and the head is might be too long -- it works as a stylization, but I'm not sure that was your intention. For the first image, the pose would work better if his head was angled forward. Ideally, you'd probably want the main line of action to be a slight curve through the spine, neck and head. Also, I think the leg is too high if he's supposed to be running. (And not, say, launching into flight.)

I'd consider doing a bunch of sketches without much in the way of clearly-defined anatomy, just getting a feel for poses. Worry about the details later. I realize this is the opposite of Professor420's advice, but I never studied anatomy, and can't imagine that repeated drawings of a statically figure would have kept me interested long enough to learn anything. Draw enough poses, and you'll get better at drawing poses. You'll learn something about basic proportions by osmosis... and knowing which muscle goes where won't help you much if your poses are weak.

But I'd definitely recommend a life drawing group, if you can find one.

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Its the two-pronged approach to figure drawing, both are really neccessary. It'll be hard to learn proper dynamic poses through merely knowing the muscles... poses show what they do. But on the other hand, it'll be mighty difficult to draw from your head until you know anatomy, no matter how good your life-drawings are. I spent a month and a half doing a very intensive life-drawing course, and at the end, while my drawings were great, I couldn't draw figures from my head. I realized its because while my observational skills were sharp, its really using the opposite mind areas. I was looking at it not as a person, but as a thing (ala impressionist thinking), so I wasn't interpreting what I was seeing. But once I learned anatomy pretty well, my life drawings improved some but I was suddenly able to draw without live reference. Its really a must to do both, you'll never be able to do your best without learning both pose through observation and anatomy through study/observation (actually learning the muscles in a book I've found better than solely relying on trying to figure them out through seeing).

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Nice pose on the second image. The (figure's) right ear is a bit high, and the head is might be too long -- it works as a stylization, but I'm not sure that was your intention.

Actually, it's not a finished head. I just threw it on there to practice drawing ovoid shapes in one continuous stroke. There's a tremendous lack of definition in comparison to the torso.

As for poses, I think that both you and Professor420 are right. I need to learn the underlying anatomy in order to elevate my drawing above the masses of "artists" who don't study, but I also need to practice, practice, practice.

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But I'd definitely recommend a life drawing group, if you can find one.

There's one that meets on Sundays in Manhattan, but it's $13 a meeting. Not yet sure if I consider that cost effective, plus I haven't bought the sorts of art supplies I'd need - board, paper, pencils, chalks, etc.

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To illustrate Professor420's point, here's a sketch of a motocross helmet that I drew without any form of reference - and without having watched motocross, seen a live helmet, played a video game, etc in at least six months:

Sketch of a motocross helmet by Oluseyi

Being able to draw that well is a product of both knowing the structure and characteristics of the helmet and a familiarity with drawing such curves. (The "incident light" notation is for me to ink and colorize it in Photoshop Essentials, which I've been dabbling with for the last two days. ArtRage Free doesn't have layers, so I've taken to using it for my sketches then exporting as PSD for cleanup and colorization in PSEssentials.)

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