ok i recently had a job interview where they asked me if i was able to do the matrix calculations myself, i realised i couldnt do it and didnt get the job so ive set to learn the math for matrix calculations and found some very good doccumentations, however i have changed my rendering function to support my own matrix multiplications etc but ive ended up with some very strange results, i.e when the character rotates it seems to twist round and go really thin at certain points in the rotation, im sure its a simple enough problem but i seem to be blind to it heres my rendering loop, there ae still some of the DX funcs included as im still working on my own

 D3DXMatrixIdentity(&Total);

	D3DXMATRIX SC;
	D3DXMatrixIdentity(&SC);
	//D3DXMatrixScaling(&SC, Scale.x, Scale.y, Scale.z);
	d3d::ScaleMatrix(SC,Scale);
	D3DXMatrixRotationX(&RotX,  rotx);
	D3DXMatrixRotationY(&RotY,  roty);
	D3DXMatrixRotationZ(&RotZ,  rotz);

    
	D3DXMatrixTranslation(&Pos,_cpos.x,_cpos.y,_cpos.z);
	d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total,SC,Total);
	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&SC);
	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&RotX);
	d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total,RotX, Total);
	d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total,RotY, Total);
	d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total,RotZ, Total);
	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&RotY);
	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&RotZ);

	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&Pos);
	d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total,Pos, Total);

and here is the calculations

void d3d::MultiplyMatrix(D3DXMATRIX &m1,D3DXMATRIX &m2,D3DXMATRIX &m3)
{
	//D3DXMatrixIdentity(&m3);

m3._11 =  ((m1._11 * m2._11) + (m1._12 * m2._21) + (m1._13 * m2._31) + (m1._14 * m2._41));
m3._12 =  ((m1._11 * m2._12) + (m1._12 * m2._22) + (m1._13 * m2._32) + (m1._14 * m2._42));
m3._13 =  ((m1._11 * m2._13) + (m1._12 * m2._23) + (m1._13 * m2._33) + (m1._14 * m2._43));
m3._14 =  ((m1._11 * m2._14) + (m1._12 * m2._24) + (m1._13 * m2._34) + (m1._14 * m2._44));

m3._21 =  ((m1._21 * m2._11) + (m1._22 * m2._21) + (m1._23 * m2._31) + (m1._24 * m2._41));
m3._22 =  ((m1._21 * m2._12) + (m1._22 * m2._22) + (m1._23 * m2._32) + (m1._24 * m2._42));
m3._23 =  ((m1._21 * m2._13) + (m1._22 * m2._23) + (m1._23 * m2._33) + (m1._24 * m2._43));
m3._24 =  ((m1._21 * m2._14) + (m1._22 * m2._24) + (m1._23 * m2._34) + (m1._24 * m2._44));

m3._31 =  ((m1._31 * m2._11) + (m1._32 * m2._21) + (m1._33 * m2._31) + (m1._34 * m2._41));
m3._32 =  ((m1._31 * m2._12) + (m1._32 * m2._22) + (m1._33 * m2._32) + (m1._34 * m2._42));
m3._33 =  ((m1._31 * m2._13) + (m1._32 * m2._23) + (m1._33 * m2._33) + (m1._34 * m2._43));
m3._34 =  ((m1._31 * m2._14) + (m1._32 * m2._24) + (m1._33 * m2._34) + (m1._34 * m2._44));

m3._41 =  ((m1._41 * m2._11) + (m1._42 * m2._21) + (m1._43 * m2._31) + (m1._44 * m2._41));
m3._42 =  ((m1._41 * m2._12) + (m1._42 * m2._22) + (m1._43 * m2._32) + (m1._44 * m2._42));
m3._43 =  ((m1._41 * m2._13) + (m1._42 * m2._23) + (m1._43 * m2._33) + (m1._44 * m2._43));
m3._44 =  ((m1._41 * m2._14) + (m1._42 * m2._24) + (m1._43 * m2._34) + (m1._44 * m2._44));
 

excellent thanks for your help, just one more quick question regarding this problem

ive now made the matrixmultiply function locally create the variable and then return it in order to avoid the above problem like so

D3DXMATRIX  d3d::MultiplyMatrix(const D3DXMATRIX &m1, const D3DXMATRIX &m2){D3DXMATRIX m3;	D3DXMatrixIdentity(&m3);//multiplication codereturn m3;}

this works for all the rotations etc, but when i have the call to multiply the position matrix by the end result matrix my mesh completely disapears

Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Pos, Total);

but with the dx matrix multiply it works

D3DXMatrixTranslation(&Pos,_cpos.x,_cpos.y,_cpos.z);	Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(SC,Total);	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&SC);	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&RotX);	Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(RotX, Total);	Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(RotY, Total);	Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(RotZ, Total);	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&RotY);	//D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&RotZ);	D3DXMatrixMultiply(&Total,&Total,&Pos);	//Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Pos, Total);

bump

If you ever get the change to take a course in Linear Algebra, and havn't done so yet, catch the opportunity. It is always nice to have a solid mathematical background on these kinds of stuff, instead of only learning from computer source code.

thanks ill give all that a go

Quote:Original post by jpetrie
Failing that, a good book such as The Geometry Toolbox can be quite helpful.

I 2nd that recommendation!

I also keep a copy of this book on my desk. Between the two of them they've solved most of my mathematical problems over the years.

Cheers,
Jack

Books and courses definitely recommended.

Try changing this:

Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(RotX, Total);Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(RotY, Total);Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(RotZ, Total);

to this:

Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total, RotX);Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total, RotY);Total = d3d::MultiplyMatrix(Total, RotZ);

If that works, then you've just learnt about a property of matrix multiplication:

Generally, unlike scalar multiplication, the product of two matrices (A*B) is not commutative (A*B != B*A) unless one of the matrices is identity (C*I == I*C).

If that works, it also mean your interpretation of whether the matrix is row-major or column-major is out.


TIP: when working out whether to interpret a matrix as row-major or column-major or determining its memory layout to implement a matrix operation from a textbook/website/etc, find some code that applies a translation to the matrix and find the same in the text book. The translation will either be along the bottom or down the right side, make sure you interpret both consistently.

TIP: for getting to grips with maths stuff like vectors and matrices, it can be very useful to render those vectors and [the component vectors of] matrices as coloured lines to get a much more intuitive idea of what's going on (e.g. to see a scale matrix change the length of a basis vector - and even just seeing the basis vectors of an identity matrix can be eye opening).