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Okay, so I'm not really sure how this could be applied to a game... but the idea I'm needing help with fleshing out so far is this- So I'm wanting to mix the mundane everyday life with weird fantasy-ish stuff. The world starts in new york or something, and slowly things start changing until it's a completely different world. In this world (my version of our real world that is) people's spirits talk to each other, and communicate in a kind of spiritual world we can't always see but we can feel. Like when you meet someone and you feel a sense of evil from them... or when you feel someone's loneliness, or their energy and happiness. I was thinking that each person can have an etherial version of themselves, that always stands nearby. And in this spiritual world they communicate with each other through song rather than through words, so that ethereal version of each of our selves sings our song... a kind of representation of who we are. The story fallows around one individual who isn't happy with his life, and he is pretty much neutral. Not happy, not sad... just doesn't care. And the world slowly changes around him, and slowly it changes into a struggle over his own soul so to speak. The world that he is slowly entering into is reflecting his psyche, and through out the story he becomes more and more aware of the voice that's singing his song... ___________ Okay does that rough idea seem stupid to anyone? I've done some quick concept sketches for it, but I'm wandering if anyone thinks it's cliched, or generally stupid... or to weird... or what.

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Avatar God    1072
Wow, I really do like the idea of the world changing like that. It might be difficult to do, but I think it's a great idea.

The apathetic character is sometimes overused, but if you let him change, you should be good. Of course, if you change him too much (especially if the player doesn't agree with the changes), then nobody will connect with him. Just something to be careful about.

You don't have just a whole lot here, so that's about all I can give you.

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Wow, I really do like the idea of the world changing like that. It might be difficult to do, but I think it's a great idea.

The apathetic character is sometimes overused, but if you let him change, you should be good. Of course, if you change him too much (especially if the player doesn't agree with the changes), then nobody will connect with him. Just something to be careful about.

You don't have just a whole lot here, so that's about all I can give you.


Hmm... yea I think I'm pulling a bit much from the graduate here with the main character. I want him to be apathetic, but I do want him to change at the same time. Maybe if I were to make this a game I would allow the player to decide his changes, and that would affect the world as it's the main character's psyche here.

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drackill    128
I think the idea is actually rather good. You could think of clever ways to use it in a game. Something that just came to my head although perhaps making the general idea more surreal is the following.

As you said everyone has a soul or some type of phantom type that constantly follows them around and these souls carry the person’s personality/feelings etc as you said.

The main character doesn’t have a soul, unknown to him. However not in the other world where the other souls know? This character due to not having a soul does not feel any type of emotion thus he constantly craves the need to be like people to fit into their lives to become them, he is a serial killer. When he kills his body absorbs these spirits and although in his world he is simply mimicking them its his black soul shall we call it that is making him do it so well, so perhaps some type of Adventure/Rpg game where dialogue changes along with how you interact with people on who you have killed and what in the other world you have absorbed…. I’m actually not sure on that now but I thought I might as well finish for finishing sake.

Plus then I suppose it would perhaps be neglecting the transformation into the other world as you mentioned.

Also when I started reading this I couldn’t help but thinking of Grim Fandango when the main character goes to the land of the living and all the imagery is very scary and still. Perhaps it might be a good idea to look at that part of Grim Fandango to perhaps formulate some ideas?

Sorry the idea just came and it unfortunately sounded better in my head. Just a good idea and got me thinking.

Good luck

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Ezbez    1164
I like the idea of a normal, or largely normal, world slowly changing into a more bizarre place. I think that has alot of potential.

This vaguely reminds me of The Longest Journey where the magic('spirit') and normal world were comming together. However, that's about the extent of their similarities, and even that is pushing it. The Longest Journey had a really nice story line.

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thanks for the sungestions, from all the feedback in this forum and others this world idea seems to be well liked, which makes mr. Pexel a very happy person. I'm fleshing out the world more and more. This is what I've come up with -

The fantasy world that begins overtaking the real world is the fantasy version of that world. It's not fantasy, it's moreso the spiritual version of that world, it's what the spirits see.

And I was thinking that maybe their singing was once harmonious, even though some was sad... some was evil, some were happy, it all blended to make one harmonious song, but something could be causing chaos in the music... I don't know if I like that idea, seeing as how chaos is the fundamental backing to the song as the sum of all humanity to begin with... hmm...

BUT, I did figure out a bit of colors. The new york setting can be very wet and gray, not many bright colors. Anything having to do with the spiritual realm can be bright, giving the viewers a hint. The main character can slowly become brighter throughout the story...

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Hey, that's a cool way to start the change, actually. Just start changing the colors on everything, and eventually, you can mess with the models themselves.

I really like the general idea. I'm tired of games where nothing ever changes!

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taby    1265
It's spelled schizophrenic.

Don't forget to add the part where loved ones commit suicide by driving a kitchen knife through their eye sockets until their frontal lobe stops working, and they eventually bleed out on the kitchen floor because their nervous system won't allow them to get up and dial 911.

Also, my favourite is when images of dead laughing animals float across the person's field of view.

Seriously, I don't think this is an exploitable topic unless you continue to handle it very delicately, as you seem to be doing now.

Edit: I really love the idea of colour representing vibrance and success. I'd be interested in playing your game some day. :)

[Edited by - taby on April 24, 2006 9:26:26 AM]

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Avatar God    1072
Right, because that needed to be posted.

Anyways, I agree with the delicacy comment. There are ways to do this that would take the game into the arena of a sadistic Big Rigs game, but it doesn't seem to be going that way. Keep it like that.

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Fournicolas    270
Have you played White Wolf's TableTop RPG called Wraith: The Oblivion? It is about, well, dead people's souls living as phantoms (or fantoms? Ghosts, for easier comprehension.) The surroundings react to the actions of the wandering souls (aka the players) The only serious difference with what I see here, is that, well, it's NOT a video game. But I can understand why it has such appeal.

Maybe you could read Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman, too...

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Have you played White Wolf's TableTop RPG called Wraith: The Oblivion? It is about, well, dead people's souls living as phantoms (or fantoms? Ghosts, for easier comprehension.) The surroundings react to the actions of the wandering souls (aka the players) The only serious difference with what I see here, is that, well, it's NOT a video game. But I can understand why it has such appeal.

Maybe you could read Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman, too...


Hey, I actually havn't heard about either of those. Oh, and the phantoms don't represent the dead, they represent our souls. I am a christian and am trying to subtly add my beliefs of life and metaphysical philosophy and the meaning of existence and all that jazz into it, so naturally when a person dies their phantom or soul leaves the earth.

hmm... I've actually never played a table top rpg before now that I think about it. But I will try and find that book if you think it's applicable.

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It's spelled schizophrenic.

Don't forget to add the part where loved ones commit suicide by driving a kitchen knife through their eye sockets until their frontal lobe stops working, and they eventually bleed out on the kitchen floor because their nervous system won't allow them to get up and dial 911.

Also, my favourite is when images of dead laughing animals float across the person's field of view.

Seriously, I don't think this is an exploitable topic unless you continue to handle it very delicately, as you seem to be doing now.

Edit: I really love the idea of colour representing vibrance and success. I'd be interested in playing your game some day. :)


hmm... I really should log in, but darnit I'm to lazy.

Okay so you think I should do this crazy extremely bloody gory thing with the story... or is that a joke playing off of schizophrenia (thanks for the spelling by the way)? Either way, I'm not afraid of exploring topics like drugs and suicide, but I'm going to stay far far away from the sadistic.

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Have you played White Wolf's TableTop RPG called Wraith: The Oblivion? It is about, well, dead people's souls living as phantoms (or fantoms? Ghosts, for easier comprehension.) The surroundings react to the actions of the wandering souls (aka the players) The only serious difference with what I see here, is that, well, it's NOT a video game. But I can understand why it has such appeal.

Maybe you could read Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman, too...


Hey, I actually havn't heard about either of those. Oh, and the phantoms don't represent the dead, they represent our souls. I am a christian and am trying to subtly add my beliefs of life and metaphysical philosophy and the meaning of existence and all that jazz into it, so naturally when a person dies their phantom or soul leaves the earth.

hmm... I've actually never played a table top rpg before now that I think about it. But I will try and find that book if you think it's applicable.


Maybe you could read that comic book, "Midnight Nation", scenario by J. Michael Straczinsky (Rising Stars, Babylon 5) and drawings by Gary Frank (The Hulk), edited by Top Cow, just to get the feel about that second "soul" world you were talking about...

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taby    1265
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It's spelled schizophrenic.

Don't forget to add the part where loved ones commit suicide by driving a kitchen knife through their eye sockets until their frontal lobe stops working, and they eventually bleed out on the kitchen floor because their nervous system won't allow them to get up and dial 911.

Also, my favourite is when images of dead laughing animals float across the person's field of view.

Seriously, I don't think this is an exploitable topic unless you continue to handle it very delicately, as you seem to be doing now.

Edit: I really love the idea of colour representing vibrance and success. I'd be interested in playing your game some day. :)


hmm... I really should log in, but darnit I'm to lazy.

Okay so you think I should do this crazy extremely bloody gory thing with the story... or is that a joke playing off of schizophrenia (thanks for the spelling by the way)? Either way, I'm not afraid of exploring topics like drugs and suicide, but I'm going to stay far far away from the sadistic.


These are actual cases of people with schizophrenia. If it's sadistic, take it up with God.

http://www.savweb.com/schizophrenia/discussions/ is a message board which you can use for researching all types of symptoms and experiences that schizophrenia sufferers go through every day.

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These are actual cases of people with schizophrenia. If it's sadistic, take it up with God.

http://www.savweb.com/schizophrenia/discussions/ is a message board which you can use for researching all types of symptoms and experiences that schizophrenia sufferers go through every day.


The story isn't about schizophrenia at all, and my earlier responce wasn't meant to make fun of you or light of your comments, sorry if it came off that way. It was actually a serious question. And I understand that schizophrenia has symptoms such as you described, I know much about the disease, I just don't want my story to have such sadistic in nature content, weather someone actually had those halucinations or not. I was using the word schizophrenia in the title to describe the nature of the story... but um, sorry if I confused you.

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LorenzoGatti    4450
If everyone is in limited but constant and unavoidable telepathic contact with anyone nearby there are immediate consequences: for example, it is easy to perceive guilt (much, much reduced crime), love and lack thereof (straightforward, happy and boring engagements), schizophrenia and other types of major mental illness (no psychotic monster can remain undetected), violent intentions (much reduced surprise attacks), and other strong emotions.
A protagonist becoming mad would do so in plain sight; without contrived obstacles he woud get psychiatric treatment before things get interesting.

Something important but unclear in the description is the variance between passive projections in "a kind of spiritual world we can't always see but we can feel" and "an etherial version of themselves" who has to be more like a person if "they communicate with each other through song".
Are people able to consciously affect their ethereal projections? If it is possible, how? Are projections autonomous? If they are, what are their powers and motivations?

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taby    1265
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These are actual cases of people with schizophrenia. If it's sadistic, take it up with God.

http://www.savweb.com/schizophrenia/discussions/ is a message board which you can use for researching all types of symptoms and experiences that schizophrenia sufferers go through every day.


The story isn't about schizophrenia at all, and my earlier responce wasn't meant to make fun of you or light of your comments, sorry if it came off that way. It was actually a serious question. And I understand that schizophrenia has symptoms such as you described, I know much about the disease, I just don't want my story to have such sadistic in nature content, weather someone actually had those halucinations or not. I was using the word schizophrenia in the title to describe the nature of the story... but um, sorry if I confused you.


I wasn't offended, sorry that I came off that way. You'd probably catch heck if you had used LSD instead of schizophrenia. :)

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I wasn't offended, sorry that I came off that way. You'd probably catch heck if you had used LSD instead of schizophrenia. :)


lol, then we're good, no offense both ways. And I so should have used LSD... um... you know what I mean. "My story is SO freaking LSD"

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If everyone is in limited but constant and unavoidable telepathic contact with anyone nearby there are immediate consequences: for example, it is easy to perceive guilt (much, much reduced crime), love and lack thereof (straightforward, happy and boring engagements), schizophrenia and other types of major mental illness (no psychotic monster can remain undetected), violent intentions (much reduced surprise attacks), and other strong emotions.
A protagonist becoming mad would do so in plain sight; without contrived obstacles he woud get psychiatric treatment before things get interesting.

Something important but unclear in the description is the variance between passive projections in "a kind of spiritual world we can't always see but we can feel" and "an etherial version of themselves" who has to be more like a person if "they communicate with each other through song".
Are people able to consciously affect their ethereal projections? If it is possible, how? Are projections autonomous? If they are, what are their powers and motivations?


Great points, but I don't actually think the telepathy is going to harm anything, mostly because it isn't really telepathy, not solidly anyway. I can feel how people are feeling, I can sense it when I'm around them, I thought was a common thing. Not like I know what they are thinking, but I pick up on weather they are hiding something or not, if they are lonely, or feeling depressed. I think thought I pick up on subtly facial expressions, tones of voice, and movements. Unfortunately even if everyone could pick up on that kind of thing to a more hightened degree than what I described, it still wouldn't reduce crime or anything, reason being it's not substantial enough evidence.

and in answere to your questions - No they are not, reason being their projections are simply images of who they are inside. I guess they could if they changed who they were... but not through commands. Mostly because no one can see that spiritual world. The only way it would be possible is if they changed themselves, causing the projection to sing a different song.

are they autonomous... hmm... that's something I really need to think about, what a great question. Do they have free will? Are they aware of their own existence? I'm thinking they are the person, kind of like a sub-conscience. So the answere is possible yes, but only so long as they are connected to the individual, because they are that individual. But I need to think more on that, thanks so much for asking that question.

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