modulo of large numbers (e.g. 13^183 mod 11)

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This isn't a homwork question btw, just going through an old maths course to catch up a bit. Anyway, I know the anser is 8 and done it using simple mod arithmetic. Here's my working: 13^183 mod 11 = 13^(2^7) mod 11 * 13^55 mod 11 = 3 * 10 mod 11 = 8 however even though it was broken down a bit those are still huge numbers and i done them in a calculator. I thought of using Fermat's little theorem but the 183 isn't a prime number and from what i understand it needs to be to use that rule? Any pointers?
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I know less than you do, but isn't Fermat's little theorem (what a strange name!) used to determine that 1355 mod 11 = 10?
    1355 mod 11    ( 1311 mod 11 )5 mod 11  <-- ap mod p = a mod p    ( 13 mod 11 )5 mod 11    25 mod 11    10 
13128 mod 11 is found using quadratic reciprocity, since 13128 = (1364)2, and (1364)2 is congruent to 3 modulo 11, because (1364)2 is not congruent to 11 modulo 3, because x2 is not congruent to 2 modulo 3, because 3 is congruent to 3 modulo 8.

I think I've learned enough for today.

[Edited by - JohnBolton on June 5, 2006 6:35:42 PM]
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lets take a smaller example, it follows that your larger numbers work in the same exact way.

5^3 mod 4 = 125 mod 4 = 1
but we can also say 5^3 = 5*5*5, and mod is distributive in a way
so
((((5 mod 4) * 5) mod 4)*5) mod 4) =>
(1 * 5 mod 4) * 5 mod 4 =>
(1) * 5 mod 4 =>
1

You can shorten the process with a square and multiply algorithm to remove some of the multiplications.
int sqpow ( int base, int exp, int n ){	vector<bool> bits;	for ( int cnt1 = 0; cnt1 < sizeof(int)*8; cnt1++ )	{		bool bit = exp & 1;		exp = exp >> 1;		bits.push_back(bit);		}		int rVal = 1;	while ( bits.back() == 0 ) bits.pop_back();	int sz = bits.size();	for ( int cnt1 = 0; cnt1 < sz; cnt1++ )	{		bool bit = bits.back();		bits.pop_back();        if ( bit )		{			rVal *= base;			}		else		{			rVal *= 1;			}		rVal %= n;		if ( cnt1 != sz -1 )		{	        rVal *= rVal;			}		rVal %= n;		}	return rVal;	}


[Edited by - KulSeran on June 5, 2006 7:43:11 PM]
so what about doing 13^(2^7) using KulSeran method then? as its a power to a power?

sorry if this is all daft, it's late as anythin lol and ive been drinkin.
read all that while sober and it makes perfect sense lol.

cheers guys, i'll be less stupid in future!
I used the Chinese Remainder Theorem for my RSA implementation. Works very well.
You can't use fermat's little theorem directly, but you can use a result of it, namely that, if gcd(a, c) = 1, then a^b = a^(b mod phi(c)) (mod c). When working with modular equations, you can always replace the base, and any other numbers not rooted within (like exponents, logs, etc) with any number that is congruent mod c. phi() is the Euler function. For instance

13^183 (mod 11)
= 2^183
phi(11) = 10
183 = 3 (mod 10)
2^183 = 2^3 (mod 11)
= 8

In the second example,
5*5*5 (mod 4)
5 = 1 (mod 4)
You can replace all the 5s with 1 since they are congruent with the modulus.
5*5*5 = 1*1*1 = 1 (mod 4)

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