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Well.. I am enrolled in Devry University in the brand new degree program that they have.. Bachelors in Game and Simulation Programming. I just want to know people's thoughts on the school itself and whether the degree will look really good on a resume. I have no prior programming experiance, so I know college is going to kick my ass. Everyone wish me luck and if you have any advice.. Please share it with me.

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It's a little late to ask those kinds of questions. Anyway, getting the most out of what the school has to offer is much more important than how the degree will look on your resume.

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I mean.. I just wanna know what people's views on the school are... It's my only choice right now since I work full time.. it costs somewhere around 60k for the whole degree ... my military benefits are paying for it though... so just what are your thoughts?

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The important thing is that you learn the material and ideally have something to show for it. The degree itself will likely make little difference. Unless Devry just flatout has a crap program... I'm not sure, as I haven't checked it out at all.

Don't try to get good grades. Try to understand what you're doing. The good grades will come naturally.

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I went and gave a talk at DeVry a few months ago, and got a short look at their game degree program. I got my degree at DigiPen (which I'm very happy with) and it looks as if the DeVry program is fairly similar to dP. What I've seen of it looks good.

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I'm not impressed with their computer engineering degrees, seeing as how a friend of mine got his and couldn't find a job in that field and I had no trouble getting a job with a traditional four-year degree from a state school. I can't say anything about the quality of their game degrees though. Considering how game development degrees are so new, none of the programs, with the exception of Digipen of course, have been around long enough to really establish a reputation, good or bad.

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Ok.. I just am hoping to god I don't waste my money or time and am not as respected... because of it.. I mean god damn I'm paying more than any other school.. it's gotta be somewhat good.. it's a UNIVERSITY..

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BTW... This is the first term of this degree ever... so noone knows how the program is.. but I do have a list of the classes which are as follows:

Core: Computer applications for business, introduction to game and simulation development, practical game design, visual and audio game design fundamentals, simulation design, modification and level design, software engineering for game programming, project management

Technology Infrastructure: system architecture and assemble, connectivity, game engine design and integration

Programming: programming logic and design, object oriented programming, data structures and artificial intelligence, multi-media programming, programming for massively multi-player online games

Communication Skills: Composition, advanced composition, professional writing and public speaking

Humanities and Social Sciences: Principles of economics, contemporary history and literature, social issues of technology, psychology, culture and society

Personal and Professional Development: Career development and critical thinking

Mathematics and Science: College algerbra and trigonometry, math for game programmers 1 and 2, discrete math and college physics

++ Mid term and Senior project

Based off of that.. does it sound good? legit? will be looked highly apon?

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You can never judge a book by a cover... same goes for a degree program ;P
...also dont leave it upto someone else to tell/teach you what you need to know)...( by that i mean dont leave it up to any school/teachers to get you all the knowledge and info needed ). Take some initiative and find out( like you are )

-good luck

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Quote:

programming for massively multi-player online games


Heh...

I don't have a particularly good opinion of DeVry, and I don't know anybody who does. That doesn't neccessarily say anything, though (however, I do know people who have attended or taught there who don't have a good opinion either, but it would be up to them to come and explain themselves).

Who knows, maybe this new program is good? I can tell you that course names are beneficial in trying to determine the quality of the program at all -- course content is much better. For example, you list no calculus courses (but maybe that's what "math for programmers" is?) and the aforementioned "programming for MMOs" class makes me chuckle, but hey, maybe its just a networking class? At least there are no "C++ programming" courses.

Also, no new program will be particularly well-respected. It will take time for a school/program to establish itself as respectable; often a long time. Given the general negative attitude towards DeVry that I've experienced, I'd venture to guess that you are not going to be able to ride on your degree's "good name" at all, which means you'd better focus on getting the best education out of it that you can and building a pretty awesome portfolio.

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I hear lots of opinions which is good, but I guess It shouldn't really matter concidering.. my grades in highschool were really really bad, and due to the fact that I work full time.. I don't really have any choices as far as where I can go to take classes that best fit my schedule. Another thing, the campus is about 2 miles from where I work, meaning I can take classes after work and not have to worry about taking most of the classes online which have it's pro's and con's, also you can't go wrong with teachers so you can ask them for help.

As for they listing of classes, I'm not really sure if those were the name of classes or just a summary of things to be learned in the degree program. Obviously there will be some calculus involved or it wouldn't be a programming degree. I'm going to register for classes pretty soon so I'll give you guys an update on the schedule when I receive it.

I believe, without any experiance on my own part, that It's probably going to come down to what I know to get hired at a job as opposed to where I got my degree from.

Sean.

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@Josh - Yes, the math class is Calculus. It looks like they go through the same Calc courses we did at dP. It seems that the biggest differences are that there is less graphics and more software engineering (which I actually think might be better anyway). Well, that and they don't have Hanson or Ellinger :)

He does make a good point, though. DeVry doesn't have a reputation yet, so the "name" on your degree won't mean much. However, only the most shallow people care only about the name on the degree. As he said, your portfolio is what will make you shine, the degree will just teach you what you need to know to get there.

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IM currently going through the game and simulation programming at DeVry myself. Honestly, Ive been attending classes (originaly for CIS) for a couple years, and I love it. I havent heard of anyone (until now) who didnt have a good opinion of DeVry. The staff is helpful, always able to help out where its needed, especially if its an online course. Most of what I have taken so far has been the basics, nothing really on this degree in particular, but next month I'm set to start GSP110 - An introduction to Game and Simulation Development .

Hopefully its a good degree, but Im not paying for it, so.... hehe.. I love it when your work pays for you to go to school, even if it is not related to your job at all..

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Hello,

I'm new here and thought I'd chime in on this post. I see it's about a month old, but, I've been reading the boards for about a month now and researching a LOT of different options for schools dealing with the world of game development. I even took the tour of Full Sail, in the flesh, which was impressive. I also looked at local schools in my area. Everything from Georgia State University, Art Institute of Atlanta, CSU in Morrow, Ga. and Devry Online University. I have decided on attending Devry University's Online Bachelor degree program for Game and Simulation Programming. The entire course is online and fits my life "like a glove"! I can't WAIT to begin in September!!

I personally have found two consistent truths in ALL of everyones postings that go back to 2004 up to this thread now, from what I've researched. It matters ONLY to the individual on where you feel COMFORTABLE going to school. And, no matter who you are or where you get trained, or educated, if you don't treat what you want in life like you REALLY WANT IT, then no amount of training or harvard schooling will make a difference to your employment down the road. There are always the exceptions, but then again, desire can't be taught.

so basically it comes down to my little nutshell question to yourself, after, of course, you've done the research:

Do you personally feel comfortable with the school? and,
Do you have the desire to follow your dreams?

And when I think of desire my favorite definition is this:

The feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state.

So re-read it this way:

Do you have the hunger?

-- CaveGamer

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