Hey guys I have a couple questions I wanted to ask yall. First I wanted to comment on Biowares recruitment method (bioware.com) In this page http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/jobs/austin_jobs/ read the positions available part and keep reading until you hit the How to Apply part. Stop there. Now on this page http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/jobs/artist_faq/ it says this "Have you ever hired anyone that lacked computer or digital art experience? Yes, BioWare has a strong history of hiring very strong 2D artists and providing training. We feel that talent and personality far outweigh the amount of time it might take to train them on the computer/software they would be using. The computer is a tool, therefore, when applicants demonstrate a very high artistic ability, their 3D work will be that much stronger. We realize that teaching our employees is very important... there are always new things to be learned, even with relevant experience, we require a person to continue to challenge themselves technically in their job." Now on this page http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/contact/ it says this "Proposal and Submission Policy At this time, BioWare Corp. is not in the business of developing or publishing outside proposals or submissions for new games or software products. As a result, all unsolicited submissions, proposals or ideas relating to game concepts, story ideas, or other proposals cannot be accepted and will be destroyed upon receipt. If you are interested in a job at BioWare, please see our Jobs Page for further information. Thank you for your cooperation." So am I reading this correctly? Is the only way to break into the industry is to apply for a position they are looking for? Do all companies work like this? The reason I'm asking is because I wanted to develop a new game with the idea already in my mind and it says they aren't looking for new game ideas. So then that kind of leaves me out of the picture as I don't want to work on someone elses project. I want to be the director of a new game and oversee everything that is done as well as draw character and background concept art. THey kind of contradict themselves in a sence when they say they "are always on the lookout for talented people" and people can submit general applications. So are they looking for people just to fill the positions they are asking about or people who want to start new projects or what? As they aren't very detailed about the whole thing. I'm not attacking Bioware I just want to know if its going to be this hard to get into the industry wanting to start a new project/be the director and all for any company. I have no college experience. I can draw on paper though but I still need help in learning how to draw stuff like people and enviorments. This leads me to my next question. Someone told me Bioware teaches you how to draw stuff like people and enviorments (so I wouldn't have to go to an art school I'm presuming) but I'm not sure if he meant like on paper or like 3d modelling. Do you guys know anything about this and do other companies offer this as well? If they do how do you inquire about this? Would it just be easier/more expensive to hire a team by myself and work on my idea? As well as rent motion capture stuff and get a ps3 devkit (is this even possible?) Well thanks for all your help guys

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So am I reading this correctly? Is the only way to break into the industry is to apply for a position they are looking for? Do all companies work like this? The reason I'm asking is because I wanted to develop a new game with the idea already in my mind and it says they aren't looking for new game ideas. So then that kind of leaves me out of the picture as I don't want to work on someone elses project. I want to be the director of a new game and oversee everything that is done as well as draw character and background concept art.

It is standard policy among game developers and publishers not to accept unsolicited "idea" submissions. Primarily due to reasons of time, feasability and legality.

The only way you are going to make YOUR idea any time soon is to make it yourself. There are a lot of things that a studio considers before starting a new game, and the process by which the design for that game varies from studio to studio. Rarely, however, is it the work of a single man or woman. While some studios may have company-wide meetings or accept design input from all employees, you have no guarantee your input will be included in the final game. It would take many years of hard work to get yourself into a design lead position where you can have final (or near final) say on what ideas are approved.

You also seem to want to occupy the roles of art lead and design lead; this would be rather difficult.

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I have no college experience. I can draw on paper though but I still need help in learning how to draw stuff like people and enviorments. This leads me to my next question.

Then you should go to an art school, and develop a killer portfolio.

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Someone told me Bioware teaches you how to draw stuff like people and enviorments (so I wouldn't have to go to an art school I'm presuming) but I'm not sure if he meant like o

You have to go to school. BioWare is not a school; they'll expect you to have the groundwork and raw talent. When they say they'll train you, they mean train you. They don't mean educate you. There is a difference.

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Would it just be easier/more expensive to hire a team by myself and work on my idea? As well as rent motion capture stuff and get a ps3 devkit (is this even possible?)

It would be easier as far as you'd get your idea developed sooner. It would be more difficult as far as you might very well fail to complete anything, and developing a game is hard work. It would be more expensive, certainly. It would be very difficult to rent motion capture studio time (very expensive) and impossible to get a PS3 development kit (for policy reasons, and expense reasons). A PS3 kit will do you no good anyway, because I'm sure you cannot afford to pay the programmers and artists you'd need to make use of it.

Thanks for all the help guys

Odin

I do want to be an artist as I mentioned in my post and I dont expect anyone to hand me money as I know game development takes time especially if you want it to come out good. So I dont know where you are getting your ideas from.

Even if the industry wont accept ideas it would be nice if they did as the games Im seeing today arent that great like grand theft auto clones, zombie clones and movie rips. I know they have their reasons as stated. As far as just getting paid for just ideas and how much, Im on the fence.

jpetrie

How much do you think it would be total for me to make a game? I want to make a fighting game and am not sure if this would sell well on a computer platform, so thats why I wanted to do it for the ps3.

So I cant walk into a studio and say hey I have this great idea for a game and maybe they will like the idea (or what if I present a software demo of my work or a portfolio) and give me a job as an artist and director? SOrry if I asked this already as it is late.

So what does train mean exactly then as I'm not following.

I would really like to see this happen and am commited to the project. I cant help but feel though that my dreams in some way have been crushed by what you guys are telling me.

[Edited by - death23 on September 5, 2006 11:01:51 PM]

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I want to make a fighting game and am not sure if this would sell well on a computer platform, so thats why I wanted to do it for the ps3.

(Might as well pimp Microsoft's stuff for them one more time today...)

You can now make games for the XB360 (and the PC using XB360 controller) with Microsoft's XNA framework using C#. It won't be quite the same as having an XB360 dev kit... there are some major limitations regarding networking and disk access, among other things. But you WILL be able to get a game up and running on the XB360 in the near future, and you will be able to distribute it for free to a (limited) audience.

That might be a good way to get a game out there and maybe get a little bit of attention, if you make a good enough game. THEN you will have something to present to major studios and publishers.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. Don't be depressed by the responses. You should be motivated. What people have been telling you is, basically, there is a chance, but it will require lots and lots and lots of hard work to set you apart from the other couple of hundred people who ask the same question on this site EVERY MONTH.

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Even if the industry wont accept ideas it would be nice if they did as the games Im seeing today arent that great like grand theft auto clones, zombie clones and movie rips.

Your definition of "not that great" is an opinion. Whether you consider this unfortunate or not, game development is a business just like any other and business considerations factor into deciding what game to make. A game that everybody on the team wants to make that isn't going to sell well in the projected market will be most likely be scrapped in favor of one that will sell well; the business interests of a studios publisher are a factor as well, as studios are generally reliant on publishers for cash flow. The professional game development industry is does not have the freedom of creativity that the independant and hobbyist industry does, and if you want to be a professional, you have to understand this. A good deal of it has to do with money...

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How much do you think it would be total for me to make a game? I want to make a fighting game and am not sure if this would sell well on a computer platform, so thats why I wanted to do it for the ps3.

To make a PS3 game that has even a glimmer of competing commercially? Assuming a one-year development time, let's say $150,000. Conservatively. This assumes one programmer at $50k (damn cheap for a lead PS3 developer), one artist/modeller at $50k (also cheap), and YOU don't get paid. The extra $50k comes from fluff like rent for office space, cost of tools (such as the PS3 kit, which isn't cheap), and cost of benefits for your two employees, legal fees, and other junk. Those numbers are also tragically unrealistic (they're way too low); they serve only to point out that PS3 development is impossible for you. If you have $150,000+ right now just sitting around, there are better things you can do with it (depending on your age; pay for college, pay off college, give it to me, buy a house, et cetera).

smitty1276's suggestion of XNA is a good one. You can begin by developing on the PC (since the 360 stuff is not available) and run your game on the 360 when it does become possible. Since you aren't a programmer, you'll need to learn (C#) or convince somebody else to work with you, ideally for free. In order to do that, you'll have to convince that person you bring more to the table than just being the "idea man" (nobody wants an "idea man," not professionals, not indies, not hobbyists; everybody has ideas, and if you bring no useful skills to the team, they don't want you because they'd really rather be working on their own ideas anyway).

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So I cant walk into a studio and say hey I have this great idea for a game and maybe they will like the idea and give me a job as an artist and director?

No.

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I would really like to see this happen and am commited to the project. I cant help but feel though that my dreams in some way have been crushed by what you guys are telling me.

It is good you are committed. Unfortunately, reality is reality, and you need to work within its confines. Take our advice; develop your game on your own, either entirely alone or with a team of other hobbyists.