Quote:Original post by Promit

Quote:Original post by Kixdemp
I prefer C# by a million times, C++ is too complicated, but how would the performance be affected if I do it in C#?

Performance would probably be (significantly?) better in C#.

While I understand why you answered the way you did, I think the way you said it merely will cause massive arguments. If he prefers C# a million times over, of course his C# code will wind up being better than his C++ code. But the way you said it sounded as if you were implying that C# is a (significantly?) faster language in general, which is where all the fighting will come in.

I'd consider being a little less vague about your commentary. It'll make these kinds of topics a better place to be in and not one to avoid.

I love both languages really, but I never really liked Managed DirectX that much. (mainly because it's so similar yet so different from Unmanaged DirectX, leading to confusing moments)

When I said "Are you trying to start a battle" I was talking about how saying things like that without explaining yourself often start battles.

Oh, and look what happened.

"C# is faster than C++". That seem pretty bold to me

It would seem with all the "expert engineers/programmers" someone would confirm that C# is faster than C++ by publicly posting their testing environments for scrutiny. When the hypothesis that C# is faster than C++ is proven, it would no longer be considered irresponsible to make such a claim.

It seems like there are plenty "C# is God's native tongue" people with an agenda so I don't see any lack of motivation to prove their point. However, I have seen no effort to do so.

Quote:Original post by BlueHabu
"C# is faster than C++". That seem pretty bold to me

____ is faster than ____ is basically by definition bold to the point of being wrong. Given one program in one language, I can guarantee I can make you a slower one in any other language. As such, I can "prove" any language is "slower" than any other - and conversly, that any chosen language is "faster" than any other by showing slower examples in any other language.

The current state of compiler technology is that you can eventually produce, if you're an expert, faster programs in C++ than just about any other language, probably.

The fact that in many circumstances you'll have to spend more time optimizing parts of that code than will ever be spent actually executing it on all of the computers it is installed on, for that product's entire shelf life, to achieve this "pinicle of optimization", is a footnote usually skimmed or coughed over in barely audiable tones by those trying to prove some sort of point about C++ being "omg teh superiorz".

And for me? I'm pretty sure I'd produce a more optimized C++ program than a C# one in a given alotment of time for the majority of situations. Not because C++ is somehow superior, but because I've been using it since before it was even standardized - about 10 years - whereas my knowledge of C# is at best fairly laughable.

And this exact same kind of sentiment is what just about everyone who's voiced an opinion here. We're not claiming C# is faster than C++. We're just claiming it's faster for the OP.

Quote:It would seem with all the "expert engineers/programmers" someone would confirm that C# is faster than C++ by publicly posting their testing environments for scrutiny.

If only it were that simple. Problem is, it's impossible to create the perfect comparison, and even those done by experts are all too often badly flawed - and contradictory even when they arn't. It's the age old question of which is a better tool: the saw or the hammer? The answer depends entirely on wheither you're trying to cut a plank or nail them together. Only in the realm of programming, entire toolsets are heavily intertwined, and even the simple problems tend to be a lot more complex.